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Published: December 2, 2009
Did Prop 8 play a role?
FBI reports hate crimes against Catholics up nearly 25 percent
Washington, D.C., Nov 26, 2009 (CNA) -- New FBI statistics on hate crimes show a nine percent increase in crimes against religious groups in 2008 and an almost 25 percent increase in reported hate crimes against Catholics.
Last year there were 1,519 incidents classified as hate crimes based on a victim’s religion, USA Today reports. Anti-Jewish attacks made up nearly two of every six incidents, but there were 75 such crimes against Catholics. This is an increase from 61 in 2007.
 Bill Donohue of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights told USA Today that he had never seen the country so culturally divided and polarized.
Speaking in more detail with CNA, Donohue remarked that increased outspokenness among Catholic bishops and laity may have caused some retaliation.
“Lay Catholics are following the energy from the bishops who are becoming more vocal than they have been,” he commented.
In Donohue’s view, same-sex “marriage,” abortion, and protections for conscientious objection for healthcare providers are particular issues of public controversy.
“Proposition 8 in California last November led to violence against Catholics – many who were Latinos,” Donohue commented, referring to the successful California ballot measure that restored the definition of marriage to between one man and one woman.
“You have to accept that there are some nasty things done, but you can't let that scare you,” he said. “They want to intimidate people of faith.”
Donohue said he thinks the culture is at a turning point. “I see no way around it than to continue speaking out,” he said.
Posted Wednesday, December 02, 2009 6:09 AM By MargieReilly
Like the Red Sea, and its parting long ago, the gulf between the good and the wicked will grow wider and wider in the times to come.
Faithful Catholics, followers of Jesus, prepare yourself for your own Agony in the Garden when friends and family will desert you, betray you, and you will be delivered up because of Jesus.
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Posted Wednesday, December 02, 2009 6:49 AM By Maryanne Leonard
Bill Donohue, keep taking your vitamins, stay strong, and keep on telling it like it is!
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Posted Wednesday, December 02, 2009 6:58 AM By Thomas Edward Miles
Mr. Donohue, lacks class and grace, a sound course in public relations could only assist him in his mission! Everthing is a personal battle for this man. Mr. Donohue reminds me of the folks that I have met in Irish bars, alway ready for a fight and a big mouth! Relax, Mr. Donohue, have a beer¡!
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Posted Wednesday, December 02, 2009 7:20 AM By Aaron
There is NEVER a rationale for violence, no matter the issue. If Prop 8 supporters took violent action against Catholics for marching peacefully, I apologize on behalf of the gay and lesbian community! As I have state previously, I don't really care about gay marriage, provided there is some other way for gays to have precisely the same civil rights as heterosexuals: e.g., equal treatment of gays in IRS codes, social security, immigration. Embedded in laws governing marriage, there are more than 1100 different rights granted to married couples that are not available to gay couples. This disparity is not fair. It is not right. Gay couples must be treated equally, "with liberty and justice for ALL." That is the issue, but it does not excuse violence against any religious group that tries to defend the status quo. Ultimately, the US Supreme Court will decide on this matter.
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Posted Wednesday, December 02, 2009 7:34 AM By Grisha
This is a clear example of why collecting hate crimes statistics and hate crimes laws are good public policy. We are a nation made up of minorities and today's "safe" ethnic, religious or social group can easily become tomorrows popular target. A close look at the FBI stats show there were 1,400 anti religious incidents in 2007 and 1,519 in 2008. As the article points out the anti Catholic incidents went up from 61 to 75. Looking at sexual minorities, there were 1,243 anti LGBT incidents in 2007 and in 2008 there were 1264. Let me inject a caveat here. All crime is underreported and particularly hate crimes. Racial and sexual minorities don't trust the police and pastors are sometimes reluctant to invoke the criminal sanction against a Child of God for a minor offense. However the FBI stats are probably indicative of the larger, general trend. To paraphrase the NATO Charter, an attack against one of us is an attack against us all. We all need to stand together against hate!
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Posted Wednesday, December 02, 2009 7:59 AM By Chuck Anziulewicz
By all means, hate crimes against people of ANY religion ought to be investigated as such, and the perpetrators need to be brought to justice. But let's break down those 2008 FBI figures a little more, shall we? Yes, there were 75 hate crimes, motivated by anti-Catholic prejudice. But there were 1,013 hate crimes motivated by anti-Semitism, and 1,237 hate crimes motivated by anti-Gay prejudice. I think Bill Donohue doth protest too much.
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Posted Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:53 AM By MarkF
Shouldn't we count all the assaults on the Church made by the media, especially PBS, National Geographic, and the History Channel? What about the campaigns of hate lead by the public schools an universities?
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Posted Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:15 AM By Rick DeLano
Aaron is completely wrong. Society extends *preferential* benefits to married couples, because society recognizes a *special* interest in fostering marriage.
There is no reason whatsoever that marriage ought to be devalued by diluting its special status and privileges simply because sexually disoriented individuals insist that we must.
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Posted Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:31 AM By JLS
TEM, why do you continue to advocate everyone else becoming like you? What a mush of a condition!
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Posted Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:33 AM By Mark
Aaron,
Married couples should have special status in our
society. This is because of the strength and stability
they bring to that society.
The government should do everything in its power to promote marriage.
Marriage is only possible between a man and a women. This is a physical and spiritual fact
that will never change no matter where the winds of culture blow.
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Posted Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:36 AM By Donna
Thomas Edward Miles has the mind of a milk-toast, metro-sexual, "modern" man. Hey Tommy, I'll bet you have a bumper sticker that says, "No Bad Days". Grow up, take a stand and fight like a real man because your life depends on it.
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Posted Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:40 AM By JLS
Moreover, TEM, your brand of seduction is pretty much the mainstay of the homosexual community ... can't stand the pressure, can't stand to make good things happen, can't stand to defend what is right ... I don't recall myself ever being in a bar fight (except for the time I started one at Camp Pendleton, by biting the barmaid -- dang, there were empty beer barrels flying everywhere; she barely missed caving in my skull with the heavy glass pitcher, which my drinking buddies deflected) ... but without being ready to fight either physically and/or verbally, what possible rational defense could be expected to come about? None. There is a reason for a certain football team being named "The Fighting Irish", and that wee bit of history was great, although it has taken a hiatus what with the effeminate and homosexual, abortionist hue of that same university in recent years. So, TEM, while the defence of religion and nation is heading up all the more vociferously, you can spend your sweet bippy off in a corner where it is dark and peaceful.
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Posted Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:45 AM By JLS
Aaron once again defies the Lord God, who sends violence at times, and which fact is recorded by His prophets in Scripture. Violence can be good or bad, depending on who authorizes it. *** Now here we go with Chuckie's little pitch bemoaning the thousand or so so-called "hate" crimes ... But Chuckie forgets that every day in the USA there are 4000 babies murdered by butchers under color of law: This fact in itself demonstrates that any legal definition of "hate crime" is likely tainted by God hating homosexuals, drug addict abortionists, and slavering power mad politicians who would just as soon eat fetal stem cells for breakfast as to give up any political position.
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Posted Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:18 AM By John F. Maguire
In reply to Chuck Anziulewics: The FBI report to the effect that in 2008 there were 1,237 hate crimes involving what, fairly and accurately, can be called "homophobic aggression" proves up the reality of this violent syndrome, to be sure. On the other hand, Chuck, in no way does this report gainsay the comments of the Catholic League's Bill Donohue. Bill Donohue is dedicated to a large agenda of absolutely necessary protest -- for which reason he is not inclined to protest "too much" in any sense, let alone in your Shakespearean sense. Nor, in the present instance, has Mr. Donohue done so.
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Posted Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:51 AM By Canisius
Liberals and their platitudes, Grisha, Aaaron and Chuck want hate crime laws so when one their own is attacked extra charges can be brought against the perp. But the real goal to everntually have people think a certain way and if you violate it you are labelled or better yet jailed. And Grisha what you may call hate I call defending the Truth....Hoping that liberals vanish from the scene completely
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Posted Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:52 AM By Anne T.
Aaron, comparing acts of sodomy, beastiality and incest with racial minorities is insulting to most minoritites since most do not indulge in such behavior. Marriage was and is for the protection of children and the mothers and fathers. Even single people later benefit from other people's children. They will be the ones supporting Social Security, etc. Homosexual acts are not natural, no matter how many times one says otherwise. People have always married interethnically and interracially in most countries, but there has never been marriage between two people of the same sex in all history--not even in the pagan Rome Empire.
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Posted Wednesday, December 02, 2009 12:24 PM By Anne T.
Aaron, a correction: sodomy and incest probably are not as bad as beasttality, but they are all distructive of the body (the persons involved or the child as a result of incest) and of society and a persons soul (character).
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Posted Wednesday, December 02, 2009 12:27 PM By Anne T.
I am sure there were more than that. Just in our Valley alone within one years one Catholic Church had been vandalized at least three times and another two times.
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Posted Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:17 PM By Cy
Hate crime = thought control.
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Posted Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:28 PM By MarkF
Aaron, since you are for full legal marital rights for "all", will you really grant these rights to ALL? Meaning...marriage between a father and daughter, father and son or sons, brother and sister? Group marriage? If not, why are you so bigoted? If you don't believe that these things should get government support, then on what legal basis is this denied?
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Posted Wednesday, December 02, 2009 2:21 PM By Jimmy Mac
What you sow, so shall you reap.
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Posted Wednesday, December 02, 2009 2:23 PM By Grisha
Canisius: "what you may call hate I call defending the Truth."
Two years ago, an anti Catholic whacko came into our church, tore a holy water fount off the wall, broke the arm off of the statue of St. Anthony holding the baby Jesus and scared the daylights out of our old ladies saying the rosary. I call that a hate crime. Do YOU call it "defending the Truth?"
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Posted Wednesday, December 02, 2009 3:16 PM By Mark from PA
JLS, I have never been in a physical fight in my whole life. I have a peaceful nature and people pretty much left me alone. I am a non-violent person and I thank God for that. I do have to admit to biting my neighbor when I was little. (Can't remember what she did to provoke it.) But I remember confessing it in my first confession. I think my love of Christ and devotion to the Eucharist reinforces my peaceful nature.
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Posted Wednesday, December 02, 2009 7:13 PM By Grisha
Mark Fm PA: Be thankful. Physical fights arn't all they're cracked up to be. I had what I hope was my last one in 1999 when I was 52. Ruined my whole Thanksgiving.
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Posted Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:03 PM By gravey
Cy, You are right. Until we get rid of protected class laws, there will be no justice or peace.
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Posted Thursday, December 03, 2009 5:41 AM By Aaron
Let me see, I post a comment against violence, and am attacked by multiple postings, accused of all sorts of sordid things. Regarding equal rights, I repeat my posting of some weeks ago about my friends Fred & Ernie, who have been together for more than 50 years. Ernie died of cancer a few months ago. Now in his 80's, Fred inherited Ernie's half of their Laguna home, they bought together some 20 years ago. Now Fred may have to sell their home in order to pay the Federal tax on Ernie's estate because tax laws do not recognize state domestic partnerships. Tax laws treat Fred & Ernie as strangers, even though they have been together for 5 decades! Tax law provides a 100% dismissal of taxes on the estate of a surviving spouse, if they are married - purpose of the law is to allow widows/widowers to remain in their home. What is served by forcing 80 year old Fred into the street? This is just completely wrong!!! IT IS UNFAIR!! This is only ONE example of many that treat gay couples unjustly. We don't want SPECIAL rights, we just want to be treated fairly. America is NOT the land of freedom and justice for gay couples. I don't care about gay marriage-I only want equal treatment under the law. I moved to Spain because US Immigration laws do NOT allow gays to sponsor their foreign partners for a green card. A heterosexual guy can marry a foreign prostitute he met in a bar, and he AUTOMATICALLY becomes able to sponsor the whore for a green card - just another example of the disparity in rights. This isn't about protecting traditional families - it is about unequivocal, purposeful laws to penalize gays.
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Posted Thursday, December 03, 2009 6:05 AM By Aaron
Mark F: The Spanish words Mucho Tonto came to mind when I read your comment. It is in the public interest to avoid marriages between close relatives because their offspring are likely to be mentally or physically impaired, a consequence of which is they are likely to become wards of the State and spend their entire lives in an institution. That's why marriage between close family members is against the law. These laws are not based on bigotry-they are wise laws that protect society. On the other hand, IRS codes/tax laws that force my friend Fred to become homeless are NOT in the best interest of society.
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Posted Thursday, December 03, 2009 6:05 AM By 1abqdad
If there was a 25% increase in hate crimes against gays, the media would be going crazy (insane?) and demanding immediate action!!! It would be front-page news! But, since the media is anti-Catholic as a whole, this is NOT "news" to them! The hypocrisy of the liberals knows NO bounds! Our government's guarantee of freedom and security does NOT apply to anyone that disagrees with them!
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Posted Thursday, December 03, 2009 6:17 AM By 1abqdad
Unfortunately, some of our protestant "friends" have added to our problems with the continued distribution of LIES about our church! There has been an increase in the dissemination of the lies that the Church supported Hitler during WWII and other nonsense! (My son with actually taught this in his college class!) This type of hateful nonsense has added to the attacks upon Catholics!
We need to STOP being so nice in response to the continuing attacks on the part of hateful fundamentalists and dramatically increase the teaching of apologetics in our religious education. It is ONLY with the truth that we can stop this heresy! Sadly, too many Catholics do NOT know how to respond to the classic falsehoods promoted by these arrogant, heretic fools! (That we do NOT read the bible, that the church taught that it was a sin to read the bible, etc.) I realize that it is NOT "PC" to talk this way, but too many people are being misled and hurt by it! The Catholic dot com website is wonderful! It is time for our "Christian soldiers" to stand tall for Christ and His church!
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Posted Thursday, December 03, 2009 9:21 AM By MarkF
Aaron, so in your reasoning, people who have genetic problems that may result in children who you find to be less desirable than others should be banned from marrying? Is that in fact the law of the land or are you just making this up as you go? Are people with proven genetic problems allowed to get married or are they not? Do we ban women over forty years of age from having kids because they have a high rate of kids with Downe's Syndrome? The answer is no. So that means that the prohibition on marriage between close relatives in based on something else, i.e., the traditional concept of marriage. Also, by you reasoning, we should then demand government support for marriages between a father and his adult son, a mother and her adult daughter, or between any other combination as long as they are sterile. I will for now set aside your comment that we as a people should not allow people to have kids who are "likely to become wards of the State." Have you ever been to the US Holocaust Memorial Museum in DC? Go to the top floor in there and look to find where you hear the words "useless eaters" and then come back to me. Meanwhile I'm sickened here.
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Posted Thursday, December 03, 2009 9:25 AM By Grisha
Without hate crimes laws, the guy who tore up our church a couple off years ago (See my 12/02 at 2:33PM) would have been guilty of nothing more than misdemeanor vandalism. That doesn't seem right to me.
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Posted Thursday, December 03, 2009 9:51 AM By Aaron
Ann T: Now just where did I make a post that compared sodomy, bestiality & incest with racial minorities? Please tell me where I in any way insinuated that traditional marriage is bad? Tell me where I in any way suggested anything otherwise than the fact that a traditional 2 parent household is best for children (even though 50% of US children 18 or under live in single parent households and 60% of the black babies born last year didn't have a father). I am mystified. My post was an apology for any violence suffered by Catholics as a consequence of Prop 8, and a call for equal rights. I said I don't really care about having gay marriage, yet you start yelling that I support gay marriage! What is it that you don't understand about the words I have written? Do I need to use only one syllable words? I often become really confused reading these posts when people accuse me of saying things that I didn't.
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Posted Thursday, December 03, 2009 12:15 PM By Rick DeLano
Aaron is completely wrong again. His desire to address perceived inequities in poor Fred's living circumstances are advanced- presto change-o!- as if they constituted the slightest reason whatever to devalue and dilute the privileges society extends to married couples who represent the foundation of our civilization.
Please do not be duped by this bait-and-switch dishonesty.
Let Aaron and his poor homeless friend address Fred's needs in the context of what Fred *is*- another guy in a non-married relationship demanding that society extend to him the same privileges it has always reserved for married couples.
I say "Sorry, Fred". There are many fine social service options available for the homeless, but devaluing civilization's foundation is *NOT ONE OF THEM*.
I say "Sorry, Aaron." Bait and switch has served your team fairly well.........until you tried selling to your neighbors instead of your bought-and-paid for political shills.
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Posted Friday, December 04, 2009 6:53 AM By Aaron
Mr. DeLano: Devaluing civilization's foundation??? You have got to be kidding me!!! In what way would allowing Fred the same advantage that you and your spouse enjoy cause devaluation of civilization's foundation??? This is simple nonsense!!! I have already said that I don't care one whit about gay marriage, BUT a government whose pledge of allegiance says "with freedom and JUSTICE for ALL" is making an egregious error to put an 80 year old man on the street because he can't pay inheritance tax. A government is NOT a religious order. It is a civil institution. The US Supreme Court will ultimately make a decision in such matters; it will not be decided by the Vatican or by your faulty belief system that says you and your spouse should have a financial/tax advantage that Fred cannot have. Inheritance taxes have NOTHING WHATEVER to do with protecting or challenging traditional marriage or "the foundation of civilization." Your accusation of "bait and switch" is pure, unmitigated nonsense.
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Posted Friday, December 04, 2009 11:38 AM By MarkF
Aaron, you bring up the legal problems of a gay couple who are denied spousal benefits and you clam that you are NOT in support of same sex marriage? Huh? You claim to be for justice for ALL yet you would deny this so-called "equal protection" to people who YOU don't like, i.e., adult incestuous couples, people who prefer polygamy. And you refuse to account for your statement that infers that people who are likely to produce handicapped children should not be allowed to have kids, because the handicapped are "likely to become wards of the State and spend their entire lives in an institution." Oh, by the way, a person who cannot pay an inheritance tax on a multimillion dollar estate is NOT homeless. They simply sell their multimillion dollar home, pay the tax and pocket the remaining million or more. I know someone who has to pay inheritance tax on his father's estate. Perhaps in your world if this guy had married his own father this sort of injustice would not have to happen. Who do you think you're fooling? I still have not forgot your other lies where your Spanish BF freely refuses to come to the US and you in turn blame this on the US.
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Posted Friday, December 04, 2009 11:55 PM By Rick DeLano
Aaron: Please be assured I am not kidding you in any way at all. To extend the same privileges society reserves for married couples, to unmarried ones, *devalues marriage*, by rendering it no more preferred and promoted by society than the many relationships which are *not* marriages.
Your claim that an eighty year old man will be out on the street because of an inheritance tax is absurd. If he is receiving an inheritance, then he ought to pay a tax on it. If I were bequeathed an inheritance from a friend, or even a romantic partner, I woould certainly pay a tax on it. Therefore there is not a trace of discrimination in this law because of sexual orientation. Society ought to extend preferential benefits to those married couples who exemplify the foundational building block of human civilization: the family, where children are able to be raised *by their parents*. Society has an *interest* in fostering marriage. Society has *no* comparable interest in fostering non-marriage relationships. And most especially not same sex relationships. This is why we will continue to defeat gay marriage initiatives at the ballot box, and once the attack on marriage is definitively beaten back, we will move to strengthen and defend the privileges extended to married couples, and ensure that the distinctive preferential treatment society has always recognized was in its interest to extend to married couples, is not diluted or diverted to non-married couples. The Supreme Court will indeed make the decision on this matter. You aren't going to like it when it does.
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Posted Saturday, December 05, 2009 11:14 AM By Aaron
MarkF: Your comments don't deserve a response, except to say in many states, marriage with a close relative is against the law.
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Posted Sunday, December 06, 2009 8:49 PM By gravey
Aaron, Which "law" are you referring? Natural law? Church law? Secular law? You don't believe in natural law or Church law (which by the way are complimentary) So, you must be referring to secular law. This is where your arguments fall flat because secular law in many instances is relative to time, place and social convention. In other words, secular law does not necessarily represent the truth (or justice for that matter) like natural law and Church law. I don't know why you bother to read or comment on this site since you are not a Catholic and have nothing but distain for the Church and the Truth. The more you reveal yourself, the more pathetic your story becomes for all to witness. Sad, just sad.
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Posted Monday, December 07, 2009 10:59 AM By MarkF
Aaron, yes, marriage between closely related people is against the law, but on what basis do these laws stand? You claim that they stand on genetics, but I countered that state law does not ban marriage or reproduction on the basis of genetic risks. The state does not intervene to stop the birth of people who you call "burdens to society." I have not heard, and I know I will not hear a reason why the institutionalization of same sex marriage will not end up with incestuous marriage or with polygamy. I've had this discussion many times with homosexuals and they ALL say the same thing, i.e., that it won't happen simply because it won't happen. No reason, no reasons as to why, just that it won't happen. Aaron, you know you don't have a leg to stand on. You're just a bigoted person, bigoted against the Church, bigoted against people who engage in consensual adult incest, and also bigoted against the handicapped who you call "burdens on society."
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Posted Monday, December 07, 2009 11:09 AM By MarkF
Gravey, you hit the target square on there. Aaron and others like him reveal themselves the more they talk. He lies about the reasons his Spanish paramour refuses to come to America. He slams the handicapped as "burdens on society." Then he refuses to apologize for these lies. I've heard so many horrible things like this before by professional homosexuals. I've had many say that they don't care if their demands end up with state supported incestuous marriages and polygamy. I've heard many, many homosexuals contemptuously call people with kids "breeders." At its heart, the homosexual ideology is anti-life and if the person gets deeply into it, you can clearly see Satan's hand working through them. The devil's signature is the inversion of holy things, not the elimination of them. The devil does not want no Masses being said. He wants a Satanic Mass to replace the real one. He does not want to do away with marriage, he wants inverted same-sex marriages. He does not want no sacraments. He wants his own sacraments like abortion and homosexuality. I've found PLENTY of homosexual groups who liken their behavior to religious rites and who call themselves monks, etc.
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Posted Tuesday, December 08, 2009 11:12 AM By Aaron
Mark F: You are absolutely correct. I am no longer a Roman Catholic-because of the verbal abuse received on the CA Catholic website, Tomas and I joined the Anglican Church, some months ago. This can't be news to you. I so stated in postings on this website some months ago. Your accusations that I am being dishonest are also not new-again, one of the reasons we now are members of an accepting Christian faith. FYI, there are 40,000 gays and lesbians in the USA who are separated from their foreign partners because of US Immigration policy which prohibits US gays from sponsoring their foreign partners for a green card. We are friends with two American/Spanish couples in Barcelona in precisely the same situation as Tomas and me- immigration flatly refused to allow the American to sponsor their Spanish partner for immigration. I don't know how to better illustrate the lack of equal rights in America - the "land of the free" is NOT accurate. It is the land of the free for heterosexuals; not so for gays.
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Posted Tuesday, December 08, 2009 3:34 PM By Grisha
Aaron: One conservative Catholic website doth not the whole Roman Catholic Church make. Come back!
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Posted Tuesday, December 08, 2009 6:44 PM By Mark from PA
Aaron, just because some people here were verbally abusive to you, I don't think that is reason to leave the Church. I truly believe that only a small minority of Catholics hate homosexuality and dislike gay people. Were you treated well and accepted in your parish? I think that is more important. Plus, I feel that one goes to Church to worship God and receive Our Lord in the Holy Eucharist so don't let people here discourage you in your faith. On another site a man said that he was like Rosa Parks. She didn't back down and move to the back of the bus or get off the bus. She stood up for herself. This man said that he wasn't going to leave the Church because it was his Church too. Don't be driven away by hate. We are all called to be brothers and sisters in Christ.
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Posted Tuesday, December 08, 2009 7:21 PM By Visitor
No Aaron, don't listen to Grisha. Stay away! Stay away! We don't need more disloyal Catholics.
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Posted Tuesday, December 08, 2009 8:00 PM By JLS
Aaron, homosexual behavior is in itself dishonest.
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Posted Tuesday, December 08, 2009 8:02 PM By JLS
Grisha, drink a cup of strong coffee and then re-read what Aaron said. He is full of lies ... Do you really believe his reason for leaving the Church? He left the Church because he defies God and can't stand the guilt. Now he is trying to find a way to make his guilt go away. There is a reason why so many homosexuals dope up and that is to kill the pain of their guilt of sin. They prefer it over humility and salvation.
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Posted Tuesday, December 08, 2009 8:21 PM By RR
Grisha: Tomas isn't coming back because he can't handle the truth. He can blame it on this website all he wants, but we know the real reason he left. He left of his own free will and defiance of God and Church teaching. He wants to continue in his sin and he found a heretical Church that will accept his sinfulness. He should not come back until he repents and ammends his life. He's better off where he is because he will not be bringing scandal to God's True Church.
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Posted Tuesday, December 08, 2009 9:08 PM By Anne T.
Thanks, guys (Rick De Lano, MarkF, Gravey, and others), for answering Aaron's questions to me. You did an excellent job.
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Posted Tuesday, December 08, 2009 10:16 PM By MarkF
Aaron, telling the same lie over and over again does not make it any less of a lie. Your Spanish BF is as free to come to this country as anyone else. He chooses not to, and you chose to blame the US for this. Your problem should be with him, not with the US government. You also have not explained why you think that the handicapped are "burdens to society." Nor have you explained why you have so much bigotry for the poor incestuous couples who only wish to live a stable, loving, monogamous life together. Why are you so bigoted?
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Posted Tuesday, December 08, 2009 11:08 PM By Abeca Christian
Hate crime laws are good but not good when they are giving special privileges to a certain group! Gee whiz let me guess who that special group is? The so called "gay" people. Come on people, if we give preferential treatment to the homosexual groups then why not for us little Christians too, we are left outside on the gutter fending for our selves while the big bad wolves in disguise of the gay agenda promoters get a comfy sofa and some freebies too. Of course they get all that special treatment, lets see here, because they throw a big tantrum of violence when they don't get their ways! Forget what the Christians have morally embraced since man kind started, because in the world of the homosexual's you have to embrace their new believe system or else buddy, forget that you have your rights and freedom. Forget it buddy because the gay agenda is here to stay whether we Christians like it or not, you know why because we the people have messed them up and have neglected our duties to get them the help they needed long ago, we gave up on them because of fear mongering and now look at the mess we are in, now our kids will grow up confused and their dislocated compassion will only be of this World not from God, they will condone everything that this agenda has fought for, and the indoctrination of the worst case of "Gay Agenda" ever!!!! Condone condone! God help us!
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Posted Wednesday, December 09, 2009 3:19 AM By Aaron
Mark F: You are absolutely correct. I am no longer a Roman Catholic-because of the verbal abuse received on the CA Catholic website, Tomas and I joined the Anglican Church, some months ago. This can't be news to you. I so stated in postings on this website some months ago. Your accusations that I am being dishonest are also not new-again, one of the reasons we now are members of an accepting Christian faith. FYI, there are 40,000 gays and lesbians in the USA who are separated from their foreign partners because of US Immigration policy which prohibits US gays from sponsoring their foreign partners for a green card. We are friends with two American/Spanish couples in Barcelona in precisely the same situation as Tomas and me- immigration flatly refused to allow the American to sponsor their Spanish partner for immigration. I don't know how to better illustrate the lack of equal rights in America - the "land of the free" is NOT accurate. It is the land of the free for heterosexuals; not so for gays.
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Posted Wednesday, December 09, 2009 11:36 AM By MarkF
Hmmm...so maybe repeating the same lie over and over does make it the truth? 1.) Your Spanish BF can immigrate to the US. No law is stopping him from doing so. It is true that you cannot use homosexual sex as a justification for YOU to sponsor him. However he is free to move to the US, but he chooses not to. Perhaps you're transferring your own mistrust of him and misplacing it on the US government. Personally if I were you, I'd check his cell phone records and his whereabouts late at night because something is very fishy here. I'd also be leery about shared credit cards and bank accounts. And please, no real person believes your homosexual martyr game. You're lying again. This little web site did not make you get involved with that dying relic called the Episcopal communion. And I don't believe for one minute that you even go to Episcopal services regularly. In public you claim you go there, but this is surely just a game. This is just another public lie to try to make you look good, to play the martyr and to blame the Church. You use them just like you use people on here, as a club to bash those who disagree with you. Man I feel sorry for your wife and kids. I'm sure they'd have a lot to say about what you've done since abandoning them for you Spanish BF. And...any apologies for calling the handicapped "burdens on society", Mein Fuhrer?
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Posted Wednesday, December 09, 2009 3:08 PM By Mark from PA
Aaron has stated several times that his wife died of cancer and that he was a faithful husband to her. I find these personal attacks very distressing and unChristian in their cruelty and nastiness.
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Posted Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:30 PM By Abeca Christian
I am not surprised that most homosexuals run and became Anglican protestant. Like I am not surprised when people with sex addiction ran and turned to a church that promoted sex with it's members and children, like I am not surprised when pedophiles join groups that promote their own sexual appetite for children. Also I am not surprised when King Henry started his own church after the Catholic church did not cave in to his request to divorce his wife, so he started the Anglican church. Another man made religion/church to suit man's own needs away from God.
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Posted Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:26 AM By Talitha Kumi
These posts seem to always go from the story line to personal defense/offense. I like ahving Bill D. out there to speak up for American Catholics. I believe hate crimes are thought control. I notice more and new SSA and defenders are on here and fewer new voices of counterpoint. Why? I know I am finding all the blah blah yada, tiresome. I write less often and go to mass more often. "Oh my Jesus, forgive us our sins. Bring all souls to heaven, especially those most in need of thy mercy. Amen"
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Posted Thursday, December 10, 2009 9:40 AM By Peter
Abecca - The recently passed Hate crime law your are referencing in regard the homosexual groups is an extension of hate crime protections which have already existed for years protecting ye little Christians too - you know RELIGION and the other protected classes.
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Posted Thursday, December 10, 2009 3:12 PM By The Truth Hurts
Talitha Kumi, Can you imagine fewer soldiers on the front lines of the war torn battlefied because many abandoned the extremely difficult task to a few others? When the enemy is attacking the soldiers and their own military leader gives them instruction that will keep them from harm's way, would you consider that blah, blah, yada tiresome? In the same way that we all pray at Mass for our soldiers on the front lines in Iraq and Afghanistan we must also always try to summon up the graceful courage to instruct dissenters on a Catholic website. I am sorry Talitha Kumi but your moniker means "Little girl arise and get up" to serve God with your whole being in actions and in prayers. You said that you have noticed the increase in SSA posters and fewer voices to counter, so the next obvious question about your *silence* to these dissenters is similar to your question. Why? It is one thing to realize that you don't want to be on the front lines and so you beautifully serve the front lines with prayer at Mass. It is quite another thing to transparently admit that you find the challenging of dissenters blah, blah, yada tiresome. Have you ever considered the truthful fact that the soldiers on the front lines of battle find those , who sit in the back round but make clever attempts to distract the soldiers so the enemy can get a stronger hold, transparent and tiresome? Arise, little girl and get up to defend the Teachings of the Catholic Church. Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI both praised the the modern technology of the INTERNET as a tool for Evangelization. There is a fierce Spiritual Battle taking place for souls. This is not the time for a drawing room of comfort mentality where visitors only enter this site to be entertained. Join the battlefield Talitha Kumi in prayer and actions. You transparently took the time to write blah blah yada, "So Arise"...Otherwise you just might be misperceived, as one holy priest put it, "as battlefield clutter".
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Posted Thursday, December 10, 2009 5:33 PM By Grisha
Mark F: I hate to belabor the point and I know it's off topic, however it's just plain incorrect that "Your Spanish BF can immigrate to the US. No law is stopping him from doing so."
Anyone can't just immigrate to the US just because they desire to. That's why we have Immigration and Customs Enforcement and the Border Patrol. Yes - one - apparently including Tomas - can USUALLY - get a temporary visitors visa, however you have to show the US Embassy that you are well motivated (Job, family etc.) to return to your country. As for permanent immigration, Aaron is right that foreign opposite gender spouses can be sponsored but same gender ones (Even if married in a US state of anther county which has gay marriage) can't. My solution is to keep marriage as between a man and a woman but have the federal gov't recognize civil unions for those states which want them for purposes of taxation,immigration etc. But..alas .... who listens to me?
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Posted Thursday, December 10, 2009 5:56 PM By JLS
Peter, there you go again with your likening of sodomy to religious organizations. But your anti-religion of sodomy is not really anything but a destructive instrument of infamy.
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Posted Friday, December 11, 2009 9:30 AM By MarkF
Grisha, yes you describe the situation accurately. Aaron admitted that his Spanish BF could come to the US using the regular means but the man doesn't want to. So then Aaron wants to blame the US. This is just part of a pattern of deception that he weaves. Who listens to you? I do. I have to say that the whole idea of civil unions is an odd one. What is it other than marriage-lite? I really don't know what the solution is for our family problem in the US, but I am sure that we have to stop tinkering with laws that affect the family, i.e., no more civil union laws, no same sex marriage. Every change that was supposed to help the family has ended up hurting it.
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Posted Friday, December 11, 2009 11:58 AM By Peter
Nothing of the sort, JLS. Just reminding Abecca that she's covered under the current hate crimes protections; she expressed concern.
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Posted Friday, December 11, 2009 2:58 PM By Ski Ven
Why should some groups be protected, but not others? That's discrimination!!!
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Posted Friday, December 11, 2009 3:41 PM By Abeca Christian
Peter why how kind of you ole' chap, thanks for the reminder, not that I needed reminding but hey all in the same. Sounds like my comments not my concerns, as he wrongly wrote about my last post, have infuriated Peter.
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Posted Friday, December 11, 2009 4:10 PM By JLS
Peter, your constant effort to find a threshold of gullibility is what your posts look like to me. You don't seem to be impressed by my excellent use of alliteration; why not?
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Posted Friday, December 11, 2009 5:50 PM By JLS
Peter, where you dwell in presumption of safety is in comparing protection by government of God's Church and Satan's church of sodomy. Governments come and go and God's Church remains; same cannot be said of the church of sodomy, which depends on the will of any particuloar government as to whether it will prune back the sodomites or advance them -- sodomite churches wax and wane with the economy. The Church founded and guaranteed by God waxes, but does not wane. It thrives when persecuted for the sake of righteousness, which is impossible for the churches of sodomy since there is no righteousness in them.
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Posted Saturday, December 12, 2009 5:56 AM By Peter
JLS - Hadn't noticed. Where?
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Posted Monday, January 25, 2010 9:33 PM By Jenny H
While I find it appalling that anyone would intimidate someone because of their faith or political position, we should not forget there were 1,617 hate crime offenses based on sexual-orientation bias in 2008 when there were 75 crimes against Catholics.
I also find it appalling that many religious groups always seem to remind the faithful that according to the Bible, it was okay to stone to death any person who committed sodomy. I can think of no better way to imply that it is permissible to kill a gay. And so, thanks to JLS, we see it again in this religious web page.
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Posted Monday, January 25, 2010 10:55 PM By JLS
Jenny H, God does not tell us not to intimidate but to not be intimidated. Besides, Jenny, you are attempting to make murder and intimidation the same thing. Intimidation is not necessarily a crime, nor is it necessarily immoral. Murder is always a crime and is always immoral. Intimidation can serve to admonish sinners, which is what the Church is supposed to do. But those who hate the Church, who hate God, who hate salvation ... these are the homosexualists and other anti-life people whose father is the devil and who is the father of lies. Jenny H, you may be shaking in your boots about all the rumors or wars and wars, but there is one way you can find peace. It is not through statistics nor politics but through Jesus Christ who will give you peace if you stop trying to intimidate His Church.
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Posted Monday, January 25, 2010 10:58 PM By Peter
Peter, you would have a problem with the "new hate crimes" rules since you'd have to define what a hate crime is ... you'd have to define the word. It would boil down to the homosexual definition versus the moral definition as produced by among others the Church. Go ahead, Peter, make my day. You have to decide whether you can get away with redefining hate; you will have to risk the possibility that the public will hate your definition.
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Posted Tuesday, January 26, 2010 11:34 AM By Jenny H
Thank you JLS for proving my point one more time.
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