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“Just go find another parish”

Controversial poster promoting parish carnival leads to discord at Hollywood church


A poster promoting a 2006 parish carnival at Hollywood’s Blessed Sacrament Church has provoked a series of escalating problems – to the point that some parishioners have asked the Archdiocese of Los Angeles to rein in their pastor.

Parishioner Larry Bugbee, spokesman for the “Committee of Hundreds of Parishioners and Friends” of Blessed Sacrament parish, says that their pastor, Fr. Michael Mandala, S.J., has promoted indecent entertainment at the last two parish carnivals, which included scantily-clad dancers making sexually suggestive movements in front of an audience of all ages.

The committee’s foremost complaint is over a poster promoting the 2006 carnival, which prominently displayed photographs of scantily clad women in suggestive poses. When a similar poster was circulated for the 2007 carnival, Fr. Mandala told one parishioner, “It’s not as bad as last year’s.”

According to the Los Angeles archdiocese’s document Respecting the Boundaries, “sexual abuse can include… showing sexually suggestive objects or pornography." Bugbee says the carnival poster fits that description. “All the children of Blessed Sacrament Parish were able to see this poster inside and outside the Church and school buildings,” he said. “Any child and any adult anywhere in the world was able to look at this poster for most of a year on the Blessed Sacrament website.”

Copies of the 2006 poster have been hand-delivered to Cardinal Roger Mahony, as well as his Vicar for Clergy, the Clergy Misconduct Oversight Board and the director of Safeguard the Children for the Archdiocese. In March 2007, a detailed letter was delivered to the same people, as well as to the Jesuit provincial. One of the signers of the letter was a former prioress of the Monastery of the Angels, a cloistered Dominican nun who lives near the parish. Neither Cardinal Mahony nor anyone else from the Archdiocese has responded to the letter, Bugbee said.

During the 2006 carnival, parishioner Russell Brown came out of church after Mass to find several men whistling. He witnessed a female performer shaking her breasts, then her buttocks onstage.

Before the 2007 carnival, the committee persuaded associate pastor Fr. Wayne Negrete to ask Fr. Mandala to do three things: (1) Throw away the posters or cut the offensive photo from them; (2)
Write a letter to the entertainers giving them a clear code of conduct for the event; and (3) Appoint monitors from within the parish to ask entertainers to stop any sexually explicit behavior onstage if it should occur.

Instead, says Bugbee, Fr. Mandala ignored their requests. With 2,900 families registered at the parish, Bugbee says thousands of children and teens were exposed to the posters and entertainment.

Bugbee says he has incurred Fr. Mandala’s wrath for taking a stand. On Oct. 23, 2006, Fr. Mandala, flanked by security guards, snatched posters from Bugbee’s hands when Bugbee was cleaning up after the carnival, he said. One guard, Isabel Avina, shouted, “Get the hell out of here!” according to Bugbee. Bugbee says he responded by asking Fr. Mandala if he thought any employee should talk to any parishioner that way. One week later, Mandala arranged for and supervised the towing of Bugbee’s car from the Church parking lot after Mass. The pastor also threatened to take out a restraining order against Bugbee, Bugbee said.

For his part, Fr. Mandala says there is no committee of hundreds. “It’s just Larry Bugbee, and he’s a one-man show,” said Fr. Mandala, who also says the posters were not inappropriate. “His read on the posters is very far off,” said Fr. Mandala. “We’ve shown them to legal counsel for the archdiocese, the provincial for the [Jesuit] order. He’s trying to tell the church, social services and every other administration how they should be running things. Even [Auxiliary] Bishop [Edward] Clark wrote him a letter saying to just go find another parish.”

Fr. Mandala also has a different take on the allegations of assault and illegal towing. “He (Bugbee) was in front of the church, waving these posters, saying something like, ‘Look what they do around here’ to this terrified woman,” said Fr. Mandala. “We told him to get out of here and the security guard reinforced that. Sure we had his car towed away. He was selling things here – pamphlets -- out of the back of his car. We told him that this was absolutely forbidden. He left his car here on private property and took off. At some point I was told we had a car in the lot that didn’t belong and I had it towed just like I would anybody else.”

Bugbee laughed when asked to respond to Fr. Mandala’s explanations. “There was a lady on the church porch and I was showing her the poster, but that was before he came,” said Bugbee. “She wasn’t terrorized. The only thing that’s true is that years ago, I offered subscriptions to Magnificat to a few -- very few --interested people in the parish. He keeps dragging that up and it was years ago. This is beyond belief. It’s downright pitiful. When we sent that ten page letter to the diocese, we had literally dozens of signatures on it. We would have had hundreds, but that takes a lot of time and we needed to get the letter off.”


READER COMMENTS

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 5:49 AM By Roberta
Why dont they call the NUNCIO for USA or send him those phamplets. What kind of a priest is that and as usual Mahoney defies against the Holy Catholic Church and its teachings. I cannot believe this going on in that diocese to allow such things as that. Those are the devils at work for sure to allow such immoral entertainments. Mahoney and this priest or priests and those with him should be banned or excommunicated from the Church and set up their own religion.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 6:06 AM By L
Maybe if Larry Bugbee was offering subscriptions to gay Catholic literature instead of the Magnificant he wouldn't have had his car towed. It's all about tolerance in the Archdiocese of Los Angeles. And of course they've had a gay Mass at Bleesed Sacrament http://www.the-tidings.com/2006/0512/gaymass.htm

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 6:32 AM By Marlynn La Sala
In my opinion Father Michael Mandala should be removed from his duties until the Archdioese of Los Angeles has investigated and viewed the posters in question. What priest swears at a parishioner let a lone have a parishioner's car towed away. It seems Larry Bugbee has hit a very senitive nerve with Father Mandala.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 6:36 AM By Bob Allard
What a pity when priests are following satan. It is even more of a pity when a bishop turns his back to the problem. I would go directly to the Vatican ASAP!

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 6:43 AM By Mark Jacobson
The only solution to the evil rampant in many parts of the Church is a wholesale return to the Traditional Mass and to all the longstanding Traditions of the Church that were jettisoned after Vatican II. Traditionalist orders and seminaries are flourishing and Traditional Masses are beginning to return to many parishes across the country. This is the beginning of the end of the Novus Ordo, which has been an abysmal failure and which has created a climate where apparently anything goes, as we see so sadly at at Hollywood’s Blessed Sacrament Church, the infamous Barney Halloween Mass, the San Francisco debacle, the horrendous Life Teen Masses across the country, and on and on and on. The Traditional Latin Mass has been an anchor for the Church for 1500 years, and its prohibition was a major mistake. But the Pope has changed the Liturgical direction of the Church by admitting that the Traditional Mass was NEVER abrogated, and that every Catholic has (and has always had) an inviolable right to it. Please request one at your parish, and please go to a Traditional Mass if you have never experienced it. There is nothing like it this side of Heaven! It nourished the saints for 1500 years, and it will again take its place as the center of Catholic worship, life and identity. One day all the altar rails will be replaced, the "table altars" will be gone, and the full Liturgical life of the Church will be revived. Pray for that day to be hastened, and be active in doing your part to aid in the great Restoration. The seeds are planted - evil will be vanquished - Mary's Immaculate Heart will triumph.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 7:08 AM By Grisha
Maybe with enlargement or higher resolution I'd find an image on the poster that was objectionable, but from what I can see, all the poster shows are people dressed in what's normal clothing for LA. In other words what the kids see everyday. It doesn't seem to even begin to approach the level of "...sexually suggestive objects or pornography."

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 7:21 AM By charles fink
The church is falling apart. The poster I saw could be worse,but still is inappropriate for a church function. I recently saw where a priest was blessing a gay parade. I sent 4 emails to the san Francisco diocese.. Not even the decency of a response.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 7:32 AM By Sheryl
The 2006 poster used at Blessed Sacrament says it all. How despicable! That priest needs to go, yesterday. No, last year.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 7:37 AM By Viola Aldridge
May God hurry up and clean up his son Jesus' church !

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 7:43 AM By C. L. White
Very inappropriate. The priest should be reprimanded by the local Bishop and if not then the Archbishop should reprimand the Bishop and so forth. Makes me sick at heart. Pray for your priests as often as you can as the devil is working overtime on them.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 7:47 AM By Nancy
This world needs prayer. Please pray. Good Catholics, trust in the Sacred Heart of Jesus and obey Him. Mr. Bugbee does need to flee from this parish and find true doctrine again. Get away from this evil sir! The Lord will take justice upon this evil. You Mr. Bugbee did what you thought best, NOW flee this parish and have nothing more to do with it. God Bless.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 7:54 AM By Dwayne
Right on, Father Ratajczek at St Thomas More Parish in Oceanside shows disrepect toward the military, has a history of promoting homesexual and nothing has been done He was transfered from Santa Sophia Parish in Springvalley, over his last escapades He has been vice President of a Gay organization and openly promotes that the church should support the gay community. No wonder the Church is having to pay out millions and millions because of these renegate priests who really should not be priests at all

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 8:10 AM By Joe
This is disgraceful and Fr.Mandala should be severley reprimanded for his conduct. I cannot fathom how any bishop could let this go. What is the Catholic Church coming to?

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 8:15 AM By dwhite
Fr. Mandala needs to come back to the value of our Catholic Church. This carnival remind me of the what Jesus had to do at the temple, throwing out the money lenders. Fr. Mandala needs to let the holy spirt guide him for his parish.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 8:15 AM By Jess
As disgusting as this priest is I am not too shocked. What do people expect? This stuff is going on all over because people's moral compases are so far off they don't know North from Nouth. Why was Mr. Bugbee the only one making a stand? And why were the Bishops not allarmed by it? This is just another demonic example of the Consequences of Vatican II. The saddest thing is that it is supposed to get even worse! May God have mercy on his faithful servents!

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 8:38 AM By Tina
Go find a nice Episcopalian parish with a woman priest who will not put up with this sexist nonsense than you Romans love so much with your gambling (Bingo), avarice (billions in Vatican art collection) and monthly binge drinking (Knights of Columbo smokers).

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 8:40 AM By John D'orlando
This is actually more of a commentary on the depravity of the "bishops," such as "Cardinal" Mahony, than it is about a spiritually dead, questionable priest. They both care nothing for the souls of the parishioners. The only hopeful thing here is that apparently a significant number of parishioners disagree with Mandala and Mahony, the do-nothing, nothing Cardinal of Los Angeles.....

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 8:41 AM By Elizabeth
The Jesuits need to be 'reigned in' by the Holy Father..... How arrogant they are!!!!!!!!!!!!! How unlike Christ they have become.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 8:41 AM By maria c
God bless these parisheners for standing up and speaking up. This priest needs to be pulled out, he is not doing his duty as a priest. How sad this is.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 8:43 AM By Maurice
I see nothing wrong with this poster. No nudity at all.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 8:47 AM By Andrea
In the last days, evil shall be called good and good shall be called evil......

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 8:50 AM By Elena
The parish should send this information to the Pope and have the Vatican deal with it. It might take longer but I believe it will not be ignored and something will be done about these problems.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 8:53 AM By Maurice
I see nothing wrong with this poster. No nudity at all. This is Hollywood for goodness sake. Walking outside the Church after Mass, you will see much more nudity walking past you. This man Bugbee is a Jansenist, which is a long standing heresy in the Church. He should find another church and not bother this poor priest and his flock with his heretical views.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 8:55 AM By K D
J M J This is what happens when SJ's are involved. Because they are mostly intelligent , they begin to think they are smarter than GOD HIMSELF ! Dum Dee Dum Dum ___ "Dum" ! Save a few, they are a sad crew ! : ( Keep them in prayer, not church ! GOD BLESS : )

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 8:56 AM By Maria DeCastro-Gomez
This has what has become of the Novus Ordo Church, and Fr. Mandala is a prime example of the current state of the Jesuit Order, leftwing, pro-homosexual, anti-TLM, and the list goes on! I must say to Mr. Bugbee his attempts to bring this to Mahony the phoney is a joke you have to understand Mahony is just as guilty as Fr. Mandala this is a so-called Cardinal who has half naked dancing girls at his Mass, Nuns running around the "altar table" with inscense bowls looking like the vestal virgins of ancient Rome! Please pray for an end to the pagan reign of Mahony and for the total return of the Traditional Latin Mass of Pius V and the continuation of our Holy Father Benedict the 16th's return to tradition he needs our prayers for all those bishops who are against his Moto Propio. AVE MARIA GRATIA PLENA ORA PRO NOBIS!!!

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 8:58 AM By iitttas
Mr. Bugbee, send this letter to the Pope. It is time for Mahoney to be transferred out of the United States and take Fr. Mandala with him. It is heart breaking what is happening to our Catholic faith and the abuses that continue to occur from the Cardinal on down. I will follow this up with addresses.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:03 AM By Jennifer
When I look at the poster without reading it, it reminds me of a poster for a Las Vegas show. This does not belong in any church or school.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:19 AM By Margie
"In times past there were false prophet among God's people, and among you also there will be false teachers who will smuggle in pernicious heresies. They will go so far as to deny the Master who acquired them of his own, thereby bringing upon themselves swift disaster. Their LUSTFUL WAYS will lure many away. Through them, the TRUE WAY will be made subject to contempt." 2 Peter 2:1-2 I am offended by the poster. I have a difficult time viewing Catholics of my own sexual gender exposing their most private and intimate parts for the world to see. Their witness should point to God and not their own anatomy.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:20 AM By Doris
Isn't this so sad? We are praying so hard for Priests to be faithful and then we sewe this. We really need to pray for this pastor or he will lose his soul. He must not realize the impact of his decisions. Pray a Rosary for this pastor today.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:20 AM By Marian Prayer Center
This is happening all over. We have a similar problem in the Portland Archdiocese and have formed an organization to protest. Oregon Catholic Citzens. But just like Mr. Bubabee we have been demonized. We need to pray and do penance for these archdioceses. With prayers, Marian Prayer Center

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:22 AM By Pat Dimesa
I may be old fashion but the poster was not what I would like to be displayed at our church. It looked like an advertisement for a a girlie show. I would think that the parish and the pastor would act a little grown up and try to resolve this dispute without making a terrible situation out of it. God Bless all of them.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:22 AM By theresa
Father Mandala? Maybe he should reflect on his title of father. Good Fathers do not promote suggestive pictures, or actions of entertainers to their children. I wonder if "father" Mandala understands the term and application of what it means to be a Pastor of Souls. The two women with suggestive attire and posture should not be present and if they are...the posters should never be associated with the Blessed Sacrament Church to be viewed by all ages of parishoners. Pictures (posters) speak volumes...but actions speak louder than words. The actions of some of the entertainers are even more offensive and a true father, or pastor would recognize that, in my opinion.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:32 AM By Mike
This behavior taking place is appalling, especially to be taking place at a Church. Unfortunately, I think the best thing to do is have more people write letters and rally the troops to show the pastor his indiscretions will not be tolerated. I am sure some people will disagree, but at the end of the day, the church relies on our donations to survive. If enough people stop putting money in the collection on Sunday, the pastor may start to get the message. Also, continue reporting the misuse of power taking place at this parish. The more these wrongdoings get publicized, the more pressure for correction will be placed on the pastor and possibly the Cardinal.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:37 AM By Marianne
Just do the research....Read the non-fiction book -Jesuits -by Malichi Martin, for starters. And pray!

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:42 AM By MariGinette Boudreau
I think that poor Mr. Bugbee should indeed leave that parish and join the SSPX society where he will not encounter this kind of evil demonic activities demonstrated by the clergy who are suppose to be leaders of the faith. Instead they are making a mockery of the Church and all that it should stand for.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:43 AM By Theresa
How can they get something like this to the Vatican? We need to help weed out the clergy who are promoting their own agenda and not the churches teaching. I say keep trying untill you get someone to hear you.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:59 AM By Rose Marie Benoit
How very sad to read about so much disorder and bad example in a christian, catholic parish. It is written, "They will know that we are Christians by our love." We need to pray, asking for the intercession of Our Blessed Mother and St. Michael the Archangel and the covering of the Precious Blood of Jesus, on that parish and on the priest, and the bishops whose eyes and ears seem to be closed to the cries of the people. We need to pray for all our Priests and the Bishops, too. That poster is definetly not appropriate for any Christian church activity. If the priest cannot pastor his congregation and the complaint to the Bishop goes unanswered, then parishiners, take it in prayer to Jesus and watch the results. I recommend that you all physically remove yourselves from that parish and find a parish where they are worshiping God. If all of you leave the Blessed Sacrament parish in protest, on the grounds of indecent and impure advertisement and take a firm stand against what is evil, it will give praise to God. I would not stay in a parish like yours. Where there is an occasion for scandal and division, God is not found. Pray, Pray, Pray and Read the Scriptures for Good Orderly Conduct spells GOD. Rowe Marie N. Dartmouth, MA

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 10:04 AM By Donna
If I was given the chance, I'd sign Mr. Bugbee's letter too. Where ARE our leaders?!?

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 10:11 AM By Pam
Father Mandala, you have much to answer to and anyone else who remains silent to this sacraliage. Including bishops and parishioners. How dare you mock the Blessed Sacrament with half dressed people on a poster and indecent activities. May God have mercy on your souls and on the state of California. Saint Michael I ask you to guard Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament and put an end to this sacraliage.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 10:42 AM By Paulus
Father Mandala, Bishop Clark and Cardinal Mahony can go find another religion to trash.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 10:43 AM By Grisha
I don't have the best eyesight in the world so I'd aapriciate it if someone wjho objects to the poster would please tell me specifically what's wrong with it?

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 11:14 AM By Maya
What's wrong with it? Ask yourself this: Would you dress the Blessed Mother in the tight, lowcut red number on the babe top right? Would one of the saints leer at you like the guy in in the jacket? Is the Communion of the Saints supposed to look like an advertisement for the Las Vegas strip clubs? Whatever happened to the words about "come out from the world?" Seems to me this priest is so far in the world, that he has been converted to it.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 11:24 AM By Alice Allison
Those of us who see nothing wrong with this poster because it shows no more than what we all see everyday have lost the sense of modesty promoted by Jesus. He alone sets the standard for adultery - lusting in our hearts - which He teaches, is a mortal sin that can exclude us from Heaven. A poster that exposes women's clevage is siding with the evil temptor, not with our Lord and has no place in Christian society, let alone His Most Holy Church. May God have Mercy on us all.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 11:27 AM By Jones
What has the Latin Mass to do with issue? And, what is wrong with the poster. I took at my magnifying glass and could see nothing objectionable. Boy, there are people here with a lot of issues.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 11:44 AM By RR
Mark Jacobson: I 100% agree with you. The man-made Novus Ordo Mass and Vatican II has caused this mess in the Church. The only way to fix it is to bring back The Traditional Latin Mass and Tradition. For all of you on this site who see nothing wrong with this poster; the first thing I saw when I looked at this poster was the woman in the top, left corner of the poster. It is a woman with a very immodest, red dress with most of her chest exposed. There is another woman on the top right with a black and white dress on with her chest showing also. It's not as bad as the woman in red, but still very immodest for a Church poster. Unfortunatly this is what children and people see everyday, but that doesn't make it right. Just because everyone wears this type of so-called fashion, doesn't make it right. It's offensive, sinful, and immodest. Maurice and anyone else not offended by this poster: You may see this walking out of your Novus Ordo Mass, but I guarantee if you attended a Traditional Latin Mass you would not be seeing this type of dress.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 11:45 AM By Glorybe
All these blessed catholics just don't get it. Prayer is the only answer. Treat the RCC as though it were the evil place it is and do all your prayer & worship within yourself and let go of the places that harbor these evil people that say they from god.. Don't go there anymore. The vatican has enough money to pay the whole world. Would Jesus live in a walled city and wear a mitered hat? I don't think so. The kiingom of God is within You!

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 11:48 AM By Jason
Once again, the evil fruits of Vatican II and the Novus Ordo. Right, that "priest" is not Catholic.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 12:15 PM By Ski Ven
I wish that I could get a hold of that pastor!!!

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 12:16 PM By Sheila
Californians from north to south, soon God will punish us all for the horrors perpetrated on the Most Blessed Sacrament and His Holy Mother by the shepherds He appointed to lead us to holiness. Be afraid, be very afraid!

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 12:26 PM By Tobias
The smoke of Satan has indeed entered the Church. The pride and arogance of many pastors whom lack the humility and sense of holiness that so many of our church's saints have displayed in imatation of our Lord is lacking in this current age. The priests of the 60's and 70's have tried so hard to be "hip" that they don't realize that the people want men of God and not men who follow the latest trends of the world. In addition, homosexuality is indeed an impedemant to Holy Orders and should be enforced at the utmost.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 12:26 PM By glorybe
I just posted a comment & I don't see it on yet

EDITOR'S NOTE: Since this is a moderated site, comments have to be approved before they can be posted. We try to post the comments as frequently as possible -- but, being human and not cyber creatures, we have to attend to other matters at times than posting comments.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 12:49 PM By Gail Boos
This priest needs great prayer and God's Mercy. His behavior is morally wrong and totally against what our Holy Mother Church teaches. We must all pray for him to repent of his wrong doings. Perhaps a trip to Medjugorje would help him see his wrong and receive graces to become the priest he was ordained to be.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 12:54 PM By RR
Glorybe: What you said is why the Church is in the shape that it is. Man wants to be God. Man doesn't want to follow God's laws. Jones: There must be a huge spot of food or something on your magnifying glass that you couldn't see the big chested woman in the red dress or the chesty, posed woman in the black dress. People here don't have issues; they have morals and values.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 1:06 PM By Grisha
Folks ... The poster wasn't advertising a Traditional Latin Mass .. nor any mass nor other religious event at all. It was advertising a CARNIVAL. "The Lady in Red" appears to be wearing a tank top, which in Southern California is appropriate to wear at a CARNIVAL. One of the women is wearing a Mantia which is appropriate for mass and also for a CARNIVAL. This isn't Teheran!

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 1:19 PM By Georgia
6:13AM, 6:16 AM, 6:17AM, 6:23AM by Mark Jacobson. Lengthly and good comments, but why waste so much space reposting the same paragraph?

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 1:26 PM By Not surprised!
I have been to services at Blessed Sacrament. This is not this pastor's only transgression when it comes to our Faith. And this is not the only pastor who has been deceived by Satan. We all need to pray for our priests and the lack of courage and conviction they are displaying today.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 1:30 PM By Fred H
Those of you who see nothing wrong with this poster should ask yourselves, "How much time am I spending watching Oprah, evening network sick-coms, and assorted R-rated trash"? By comparison, this poster is nothing. That's why you can't see it. You have been saturated with the secular standard for morality and decency, which is none. Raise the bar for yourself, and then you will see more clearly. We can't control how the the outside world dresses and what they show in movies, but putting the church's name on this poster, and having it on church property is shameful, and a mockery of the Catholic teachings on purity.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 1:36 PM By Stefanie Cho-Park
Dear Jones, it has every thing to do with The Traditional Latin Mass, you see perversions like this and many others that have occured since the destruction of the Holy Mass of Pius the V would never have happend before the "wonderful" Springtime of Vatican 2, it has proved to be a total failure! Clown Masses, gay, polka, mariachi, jazz, communion in the hand, kiss of peace, hand holding, girlie altar-servers, closed churches, pervert bishops and priests, yes we can and should judge there is nothing wrong with calling a spade a spade!!! But fellow Roman Catholics you see the Novus Ordo is in its death roll, and they know it these bishops and priests will soon be history. The Holy Fathers Moto Propio, the swelling numbers of the F.S.S.P., Institute of Christ the King, S.S.P.X., TLM's popping up in almost every diocese in the country Orthodox bishops like Bruskiewitz, Burke, and others are charging ahead with the return of the Holy Roman faith as we knew it before V-2. Pray for all these Holy Orders and Holy Bishops for they need us to restore Tradition. Te Deum!!!!

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 1:41 PM By Grisha
RR: "Big chested?" "Chesty?" Would the lady in red be OK with the outfit if she had smaller breasts???

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 1:46 PM By mc
This carnival was sponsored by a Catholic Church. As such, the pastor is responsible for the moral content of the entertainment. That includes making sure the entertainer's attire is not immoral. Blessed Sacrament's website has pictures from this year's carnival posted of scantily clad women on stage. This is apparently not the first time either. Check out 2002 carnival entertainment pictures on their website and see for yourselves what this Catholic parish has for entertainment in their carnivals.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 1:47 PM By Brigetta Kleinmann
Dear, Grisha it's because you have your morals and we have ours!! Whether it was for a Traditional Latin Mass or a Novus Ordo Mass, picutures and women dressed like this for a church function is totally uncalled for, they look like ladies in the red light district plain and simple. As for this Jesuit priest and church he has a history of doing things like this and don't expect the "Cardinal" to do a thing because he does the same things!!!!! Take a look at his "Masses" and his female dancing girls, please Holy Father send us a Bishop who will restore the Holy Faith to Los Angeles!! Dominus Vobiscum

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 1:53 PM By Nimbvs
I find it strange that many of the comments here are so polarized. God asks us to pray for all, whether friends or otherwise. Are we not ALL of us in need of "great prayer and His Mercy"? Are we not meant to attempt to understand the things that happen before judging (because this is mostly what I have read in the commentary) - we are called to seek the truth. Have most of the people who commented here actually gone to the parish (I live about 30 minutes away on bus) and tried to inform him/herself of the situation in a reasonable, objective and calm way? How quickly we have come to conclusions without thoughtful proof or meditation - most of it is out of reaction, out of ungoverned passion. May God forgive us our impatience with His Church, and our arrogance to think any single one of us has the solution to "fix" it.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 2:06 PM By Gregorian
Why is that, no matter what the story is about, someone always responds: "The only solution to the evil rampant in many parts of the Church is a wholesale return to the Traditional Mass" The traditional Mass is not a silver bullet. Fr. Mandala could say the 1962 Mass every day and still exhibit the poor judgment that he's shown in this matter.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 2:09 PM By Pam
Father Mandala, you have much to answer to and anyone else who remains silent to this sacraliage. Including bishops and parishioners. How dare you mock the Blessed Sacrament with half dressed people on a poster and indecent activities. May God have mercy on your souls and on the state of California. Saint Michael I ask you to guard Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament and put an end to this sacraliage.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 2:14 PM By Geoffrey
What we need is a laity-led counter-revolution against all the madness going on here in the U.S. Church. I'm talking about a grass-roots, underground organization dedicated to documenting all the dissent and atrocity occuring within the human element of our Beloved Church. We have the Internet to facilitate such a mass movement, and I am willing to be the director/leader. First, we will need a website from which to direct our activities. We could compile a huge report on the current state of the American Church, listing all problem parishes and people with descriptions of what they've done wrong, citing all our sources carefully. Then, every one of us can print this report out seperately, and each one of us send a copy to the CDF in Rome. If there are enough of us, the effect of mailing thousands upon thousands of these reports, on the same exact day, will have a dramatic effect. Who's with me? miller.geoffrey@gmail.com

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 2:22 PM By Nur Hussein
If those were my daughters dressed like that YES I would judge them! Its funny but we judge things everyday in our lives so why cannot we judge these? We judge that pictures of the Virgin with cow dung on her and crucifixes in jars of urine by so-called "artists" are judged are they not??? This is the typical LIBERAL Novus Ordo thinking that do as you want and God forbid you should cast judgemnet on anyone i.e. killers, Islamic terrorists, molesters, rapists, well you get the picture!! As a Roman Catholic from a Muslim country these pictures would be judged for what they are pure smut!!!

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 2:31 PM By MikeA
Please leave Novus Ordo Mass out of the scene. The Latin Mass alone is not the solution. We human beings need 40 years to really appreciate and understand the real spirit of Vatican II, just as Israelites needed 40 years to get out of the desert. Mr. Bugbee, hold your post and fight the fight. Most importantly, you are the torch for your fellow parishioners. Take your time to gather more signatures before many of your fellow parishioners vote by their feet - leave the parish. God Bless! I'll pray for you!

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 2:33 PM By RR
Grisha: No, she would look ok if she completely covered her chest whether they be big or small. You missed the bus on that one!!

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 2:33 PM By Suzanne Weismuller
Dear folks, the winds of change are blowing from the Vatican and for the better. Benedict has slowly but firmly seen that the winds are changing, slow is a good thing for in doing so he will bring about restoration of the Sacred in a timely manner. Look what he has already done, restored the Mass of Pius the V without the permission of local bishops, brought Gregorian Chant back to the Vatican Masses, got rid of Marini the Papal master of ceremonies, is wearing traditional vestments and proclaimed the Holy Roman Church as the TRUE CHURCH!!! Priests such as Mandala and bishops such as you know who will soon be sad memories there are many "Young" priests and bishops out there who are more than willing to learn and say the Traditional Latin Mass take a look at the young people who are flocking to the Latin Masses not only the old foggies as the Liberals always say!!!! This Pope knows what he has to do and he is doing it!!!!!! Please pray pray pray for his success and true restoration will happen!!

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 2:37 PM By Mike
Read Ephesians 6, 12-13 Thats what you are dealing with here!

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 3:45 PM By Jay
THANK YOU, TOBIAS, I DID NOT KNOW THAT SATAN SMOKED!! DO YOU KNOW WHAT BRAND SATAN SMOKES, HOLY SMOKES, COULD IT BE A PIPE?

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 3:46 PM By Carol N.
Lol, Mike just how long must we wait for that spirit to arrive???? Sorry Mike but we Trads can't wait any longer the ship is sinking and we don't intend on going down with it and neither does His Holiness Pope Benedict the 16th!! You can have your Novus Ordo innovations, if you desire but we want our communion rails, kneelers, high-altars, Gregorian chant, novenas, devotions, and everything the saints had before us! We have not changed you have so please don' t mock us, funny how we Trads are the ones who always support the Holy Father, the Magestirium, and everything the Church teaches yet we are on the outside looking in. By the way Suzanne said all that needs to be said.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 4:01 PM By William
People who have issues with the Archdiocese of LA and Cardinal Mahoney should take them to the U.S. Papal Nuncio in Washington, DC, Archbishop Pietro Sambi and to the Congregation for Bishops in Rome (Cardinal Re). Don't waste a minute of time writing to Cardinal Mahony.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 4:03 PM By Magdalena Quintero
Great posts and comments going on here, but I find that the "Novus Ordonarians" aka Liberals and Lefties who preach tolerance and diversity HATE the TLM and those who love it!! The great Springtime was a great Failure, I for one lost my faith do to the 2nd Vatican council and found it again with the priests from the F.S.S.P. Iam blessed to live in St. Louis M.O. under the leadership of His Grace Archbishop Burke. This man has brought in many Traditional orders and he himself ordained two priests for the Institute of Christ the King according the rite of 1962 in his own Basilica I wish the people of L.A. could have him, but we are lucky and soon the reign of the Taj-Mahony will end hang in there people of L.A. God bless to "ALL" in this site

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 4:40 PM By Jim
ROME DOES NOT CARE! Has NOT CARED! Does not want to know! Do not waste your time writing them in ROME. They condone these things by their inaction.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 4:45 PM By Karl Simenski
Well it seems that it always boils down to the Latin Mass for a reason and that reason is Vatican 2. Its not just the Latin Mass it is everything that was the Roman Catholic Church prior to Vatican 2, having said that not only must we return to pre-Vatican 2 worship but how we behaved in public life. I know not everyone had a Leave it to Beaver family but, most of society had good morals, standards and beliefs. The Traditional Latin Mass will not cure all ills in the world but it will save "many" souls for Our Lord Jesus Christ.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 5:00 PM By Oly Ward
Remember, my brothers, out Catholic motto: When in doubt, say a Hail Mary. Actually, I think we need the whole rosary on this one.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 5:28 PM By Ted
Great, great posts here! Boy, Reading them I am quite edified and believe strongly that the Lord is moving among his faithful to expose and condem evil when they see and hear it! This priest and especially the liberal Cardinal Mahoney need our prayers. They are going to have to answer for their actions against good and lack of action against evil. Woe to those who call Good Evil and Evil Good! They are really blind to the truth and church teaching, faith, and tradition mean nothing to men such as these. If they convert then I will believe the world is finally coming to its senses. In the meantime, let's continue to pray and sacrafice for them and our brothers and sisters throughout the world. Praised be Jesus Christ forever and ever!

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 5:30 PM By Tomas
This site has been taken off by a bunch of loonies from the Latin Mass Society. There is not a single topic where these loons cannot see a connection with Vatican II or the Latin Mass. It is people like this that make the Catholic Church look like a sanctuary for reactionary and very nasty types of people.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 5:49 PM By Chris
Looks like this parish is still awaiting Moses' descent from the mountain...meanwhile, giving up on their Faith and morals. Poor boiling frogs. And the women...well they sure have come a long way baby. Women have now gone from chattel to chattel with today's extra assistance from men of the cloth. You no longer have to go to separate kinds of "distrcts" since it's "now coming to a parish picnic near you"! How charming. And children get to look on all of this "entertainment" with their innocence being taken as well. Mother Angelica was prescient in her admonition to people of C. Mahoney's archdiocese - that they shouldn't obey him when he teaches things against the Faith. And Magdalena...don't doubt the New Springtime too early. It hasn't occurred as yet. Still over the horizon.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 6:10 PM By KaraLynn
Right MariGinette, enter into FORMAL SCHISM by going to the SSPX. That will solve everything...not! It will be going from the frying pan RIGHT INTO the fire.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 6:19 PM By Chuck R
Grisha, I see nothing wrong with the posters if they were advertizing a Las Vegas show, or a strip show, but they are very inapproprate for a carnival sponsored by the church. The pastor need to draw the line at what is appropriate

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 6:31 PM By D> Velazquez
Fr. Mandala OUT!! PARISHIONERS AND FRIENDS OF BLESSED SACRAMENTO PUSH him OUT!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 6:37 PM By Anita
I am appalled that a priest, supposedly dedicated to serving God would serve the devil instead. That is basically what he is doing. Desecrating holy ground where there is a church to such disgusting entertainment. Has he not read Scripture? Heavy duty repentance is in order from him. His salvation and chance of going to heaven is at risk. Remember the saying,"to whom much is given much is required"? He best start thinking long and hard about what he has done.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 7:39 PM By Pam
The church is supposed to be a reflection of Jesus. Our clergy should not be a reflection of society. The words alone "The Church of The Blessed Sacrament" is so inappropriate to place on a poster of half dressed women. It is a mockery and vile. Would Jesus approve of this? This country needs so many prayers. Isn't anything sacred anymore? Isn't there innocence and purity anymore? Why do we as a country need to saturate our mind and eyes with this filth. It clouds the mind and destroys the soul and propells us into darkness. And we wonder why there are so many injustices in the world. What has been going on in California...Folsom Street....pervert fest...It is constantly shoved in our faces. I don't want to see it. I'm tired of not being able to flip through channels on my t.v. without seeing someone elses skin I don't want to see. Or advertisements. It's time that all religions pray for a conversion for this country.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 7:48 PM By Robert
Fr. Mandala would not get away with this if the people of the parish were catholic in fact. I say stop putting money in the collections until he is gone. That will get thwe attention of Mahoney!

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 8:13 PM By John L. Sillasen
Schism is not heresy. Some of the Sacraments in the SSPX are acceptable to the Pope, such as the Eucharist ... has to be attended without any intention to enter into schism, though. Jay, the brand is not holy smokes, but sulpher and brimstone stogies.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 8:22 PM By Pam
Let's flood The Vatican with e-mails. Anyone got e-mail addresses? Post e-mail address please and pass them on to friends. I have plenty of friends who would send e-mails. For those who do not understand. A Catholic Church with the Blessed Sacrament is holy ground. I believe in the true presence of Jesus in the Eucharist. John 6:51, 54, 56. Jesus loves us so much He remained with us in the sacraments as a way to grow into holiness.This is not a symbol. If Jesus would have meant symbol, He would have said symbol. We must all beg for God's mercy.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 8:31 PM By Treva
"reign in their pastor" ?? What public school did the author of this article go to?

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 8:58 PM By sherri Irvin
The Pope said "the cafeteria is closed." Can we not see it? Nuff said.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:39 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
For some reason this does not surprise me. For a good many years, we had the December 28th Feast of the Holy Innocents Mass in reparation for the sins of abortion at this Parish. Even Cardinal Manning came and presided once, so did His Excellency Bishop Shedid, the Maronite Bishop. Every year Bishop Juan Arzube was with us until he asked us to ask Bishop Ward to relieve him so he could take that time off because of his health. When Mahony came, we were eventually told that we could no longer have it there because of security concerns, this in spite of the fact that the Rampart Division actually went to the Los Angeles City Council and actually got them to reverse the efforts of "Catholic Gloria Molina" and I believe it was Ms Goldstein or Goldberg that had declared us unrully! Rampart did so by telling the rest of the City Council that the only unruly persons at our event came from the other side! Blessed Sacrament has been desecrated by Homosexual Jesuits for some time! God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher, Founder & Chairman Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc., www.crcoa.com The Holy Innocents Reparation Committee

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:40 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
For some reason this does not surprise me. For a good many years, we had the December 28th Feast of the Holy Innocents Mass in reparation for the sins of abortion at this Parish. Even Cardinal Manning came and presided once, so did His Excellency Bishop Shedid, the Maronite Bishop. Every year Bishop Juan Arzube was with us until he asked us to ask Bishop Ward to relieve him so he could take that time off because of his health. When Mahony came, we were eventually told that we could no longer have it there because of security concerns, this in spite of the fact that the Rampart Division actually went to the Los Angeles City Council and actually got them to reverse the efforts of "Catholic Gloria Molina" and I believe it was Ms Goldstein or Goldberg that had declared us unrully! Rampart did so by telling the rest of the City Council that the only unruly persons at our event came from the other side! Blessed Sacrament has been desecrated by Homosexual Jesuits for some time! God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher, Founder & Chairman Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc., www.crcoa.com The Holy Innocents Reparation Committee

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:43 PM By John L. Sillasen
I wonder how this sort of priest would behave and lead his congregation, if unfettered by anyone whether laity or bishop.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 10:00 PM By Frank
Something of this sort can only be an indication of just been the tip of the iceberg. There is more that is hidden. What we don't see we don't know, but He who knows all nothing remains hidden. Although as a Christian nation, and been the most powerfull on Earth it will be moraly right to keep our house in order. God help us.

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 10:21 PM By salome
beyond belief. if the parish has to resort to fund raising in this manner, better to close it down. where is ANY "leadership ?"

Posted Wednesday, November 28, 2007 10:33 PM By Gloria
I have seen terrible priest behavior only where the bishop is also off the track. We have very holy priests in our Church here in East Tennessee. We had a great bishop, Bishop Joseph Kurtz. He's now an archbishop. Pray we are given a good and Holy Bishop like him.

Posted Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:43 AM By Houston observer
Have faith! I am seeing fervent young people, getting married, having children and teaching them to be prayerful. True, my parish is of the Anglican Use -- which permits us to "break" with the post-Vatican 2 "fun" of innovation. The only thing we don't have is that certain segment of the population that is now nearing its dotage. My point: JPII was right in seeing that the young would hear the voice of Jesus and follow it. They will not follow the "wolves" of the bad old days and guess what -- they are finding their vocations. I therefore say: look up! Your redemption is nigh!

Posted Thursday, November 29, 2007 4:34 AM By Mark
The reason the Traditional Latin Mass comes up so often is that the Mass is the source and summit of everything we do and are as Catholics. So it is natural to start there when looking for solutions to the current crisis. Those of us who adhere to the TLM have Pope Benedict and 1500 years of saints and Tradition on our side.

Posted Thursday, November 29, 2007 4:34 AM By Hattie
I am sadened by the blatant disrespect shown to members of the Roman Catholic Church, be they lay or ordained. Some people believe that they can do whatever they want, have any opinion they want and still be Catholic. This simply is not true and people are deluding themselves into thinking that if you want it bad enough, it just happens, ie; women's ordination. We had better start reading the Sacred Scriptures instead of holding bingo and luncheons and realize that we have a moral obligation to follow God's commands and directions and not just act out according to our own uneducated consciences. Thank you

Posted Thursday, November 29, 2007 6:24 AM By Anthony Rosmann
Thankyou Tomas for listing us as loonies! What great company to be in with the likes of St. Thomas More, St.Thomas Aquinas, St. John Fisher, St. Bernadette, St. Francis of Assisi these great Saints all celebrated the Traditional Latin Mass and would not even recognize a Novus Ordo Mass! These just proves the shear hatred of the TLM by most Novus Ordonarians such as yourself how sad. I hope you come to love True Mass as most of us have I will pray for you.

Posted Thursday, November 29, 2007 6:35 AM By Janet G.
Once again the S.S.P.X. is not in schism Cardinal Hoyos has said this many many times!! Their priests and the people who attend their Masses are "Valid" so please get your facts correct! Thank God for the S.S.P.X. they had everything to do with the Holy Fathers Moto Propio.

Posted Thursday, November 29, 2007 6:36 AM By Janet G.
Once again the S.S.P.X. is not in schism Cardinal Hoyos has said this many many times!! Their priests and the people who attend their Masses are "Valid" so please get your facts correct! Thank God for the S.S.P.X. they had everything to do with the Holy Fathers Moto Propio.

Posted Thursday, November 29, 2007 6:48 AM By MEF
It has been said that day we cannot make the distinction between the secular world and the church we are headed for trouble...this poster does not depict anything holyand does not belong in any church. For those who cannot make the distinction - hang it next to the crucifix, hang it next to the stations of the cross and hang it next to Mary. Maybe if more people including the pastor spent more time in Adoration before the Blessed Sacrament their minds wouldn't be focused on such garbage.

Posted Thursday, November 29, 2007 6:49 AM By writerguy
I wrote this article and I am truly embarrassed about the spelling error of "reign in" when I should have written "rein in". Please do not blame the Catholic elementary and high schools that I attended.

Posted Thursday, November 29, 2007 7:54 AM By E. Mae
To the parishioners of Blessed Sacrament: RUN to a Traditional Latin Mass! You are not getting the true Catholic faith. Andrea- Have you ever heard the story of the frog placed in a pot of water. The frog will contentedly stay in the pot as the temperature of the water goes up until...

Posted Thursday, November 29, 2007 8:21 AM By Margie
I think we better cut off the cable service to Father Mandala or limit it to EWTN. This goes likewise for the worldly Catholics and our brothers and sisters in Christ from other denominations who find that poster so acceptable. Reminds me of the two frogs: one placed in boiling water who jumped out immediately. The other was placed in cold water that was gradually heated and he boiled to death. Which pot are we willing to place ourselves in?

Posted Thursday, November 29, 2007 9:57 AM By tom
Open your eyes! The band-aid remedies offered for the ills of your church (it used to be the Catholic church) cannot work.The fault lies in Rome. The essence of the Papacy is to recieve,teach,defend,and transmit the unchanged Apostolic Faith as given by Our Lord to the Apostles.This is unchangable Roman Catholic dogma. Only a fool would accept what now comes from Rome as the Apostolic Faith! The Papacy is now in the hands of apostates cardinals who will elect another of their own ilk until the "church"is dead.And as Christ rose from the dead BY HIS OWN POWER, the Church,the body of Christ,will rise from the dead BY HER OWN POWER! Wake up!

Posted Thursday, November 29, 2007 10:26 AM By R.Clarke
This is nothing but Satan's seduction at it's best, and Priests unwilling ness to defend our Lord Jesus, and our precious Mother Mary, so afraid to stand up for the truth, any priest who allows this is not a true Priest for God only a priest for his EGO and how he looks in the eyes of the people, certainly not how he looks in the eyes of God. Myself a recent convert of the Roman Catholic church, I'm realizing more and more the sad disappointment that I have found is among those members who fail to live what they preach, and take for granted of the absolute truths that are found in our Catholic faith. What Bishop could even stand for this, and call himself a follower of ouf Lord Jesus.Forgive my honesty. May God help you.

Posted Thursday, November 29, 2007 10:41 AM By Celia Montoya
I too as a Latina woman find these pictures very embarrasing, it only supports the theory that we all dress and act like that!! Don't waste your time writing Mahony this is right up his alley, just take a look around this diocese and you will find worse things going on i.e. his "Cathedral" with its pagan antics!!!!!!!

Posted Thursday, November 29, 2007 1:33 PM By mikeo
"Maphoney" won't help you with your problem, he and the rest of the "lavender mafia" are the problem!

Posted Thursday, November 29, 2007 3:08 PM By Ben
My gosh America! These are not priests, these are impostors!

Posted Thursday, November 29, 2007 3:16 PM By Dr.J.P.Lukenda
It seems California parishes are very intolerent of orthodox christians,but very tolerent of those who practice sodomy.-------------Homosexual practice is a disorder just on the basis of medical consequences.---------As far as I know there is no other group of people in North America that dies in their mid-forties from infectious diseases except practicing homosexuals.

Posted Thursday, November 29, 2007 3:23 PM By Julie M.
Why doesn't this article feature the 2007 Carnival poster, too, for comparison to see how Fr. Mandala really dealt with the issue? Nor does this include any eye witness accounts or specific details of alleged lewd behavior, if there was any, at this year's 2007 carnival, held last month. The author "fudged" this point to suggest there was with out any substantiation. And why does the author here actually show only the very most titilating images if they have been deemed to merit sanction? Why would Bugbee, if he didn't want to see people offended, take pains to specifically SHOW the poster to ANY woman, especially at church, if he really thinks it's unfit for viewing? Why is this, the 2006 poster, still an issue, 14 months after the fact? Doesn't this just perpetuate the concern and offer it up for MORE people to see?? Should posters be equally offended at its re-publication here? And, most importantly, are we people of faith, who forgive and correct, or do we instead dwell on irretrievably past instances where we may have fallen short? I have many concerns about what I see here. A focus on solutions and moving forward in faith and forgiveness, rather than recriminations, judgement, and finger-pointing, would be MUCH appreciated. I believe that's what our faith demands of us. And as for all the doom-saying about the Catholic Church, don't we have some faith here that we are all in the hands of God and that this is HIS church at all times?? I'm confused about so much expresson of fear and hopelessness. Fear and despair are satan's favorite tools because they keep us from loving one another the way Jesus instructed. God bless us all this holiday season, that our faith may deepen and that we may act and speak from a place of love, rather than allowing ourselves to be distracted by fear. Why fear anything or despair if you know Jesus is at work in your life and in the world around you...? Peace be with us all!

Posted Thursday, November 29, 2007 5:29 PM By John L. Sillasen
1. SSPX is in schism. By comparison, the Orthodox churches are also in schism ... yes, their Sacraments are valid, but not all their Sacraments are licit in all Roman dioceses. 2. tom, you've rejected the papacy by your own words ... then you proclaim something about Jesus raising Himself from the dead and the Church raising Herself ... do you know what you are talking about? If so, what?

Posted Thursday, November 29, 2007 8:50 PM By E. L.
People who gets rejected because of unacceptable behaviours always bounce back with revengeful acts. Those of us who say negative things without even knowing the real facts are misguided. We do not even know what Catholicism is all about. Catholicism is not about what one is wearing outside but what one is wearing inside. So there is nothing to fear. We just have to continue praying for each other -- and that sanity will always prevail. God bless us all.

Posted Thursday, November 29, 2007 11:03 PM By John L. Sillasen
I see a difference: 1. "Catholicism is not about what one is wearing outside but what one is wearing inside." and, 2. How the CCC defines it. Jesus says to worship Him with all one's heart, mind, soul and strength ... This of course includes both our "outside" and our "inside" ... all of us.

Posted Thursday, November 29, 2007 11:35 PM By mc
This is not just about a poster showing immodestly dressed women. Please go to Blessed Sacrament's website and look at the photographs of some of their female entertainers this year. The images in the 2006 poster pales in comparison to the photographs shown in their website. Although you may have to sift through many pictures, you will come across several photographs taken at this year's carnival showing a lot of cleavage, bellies and thighs by the entertainers. You would think this was a Vegas Night Club rather than a family carnival sponsored by a Catholic Church. It's obscene that the pastor did not set guidelines for the entertainment. You want some eye-poppers? Specifically look at 2002 entertainment photos. The immodest and vulgar attire of some of the female entertainers are apparently the norm at this parish carnival.

Posted Friday, November 30, 2007 7:16 AM By tom
Yes,JLS,I do know what I'm talking about! Christ created the office of the Papacy and then appointed St Peter to it.Popes are temporary,the Papacy is permanent.Any officeholder has a job description.When a Pope is elected he becomes the "material" or "fundamental" Pope.When the Pope performs the demanded official duties of a Pope in accordance with his job description(recieve,teach,defend,and transmit the unchanged Apostolic Faith),the material Pope becomes the FORMAL,(or moral) Pope. This is the traditional dogmatic teaching of the Catholic church, theology 101,as it were.Since JohnXXlll,the Popes have not not fulfilled the requirements of that office.This apostacy will end since it is immoral. And the Church also teaches, dogmatically,that Our Lord rose from the dead,which proves His divinity.But so did Lazarus rise from the dead but he is not divine. It was precisely and only because Christ rose BY HIS OWN POWER that the Resurrection proves His divinity (theology 102). Now,JL,I used an analogy in saying that the true Church will rise again by Her own power. It may be that the Faithful,who collectably are infallible(also Catholic dogma) ,along with a few with major Sacramental Holy Orders ,who will restore the Apostolic Church. If you think my words are heresy and I don't know what I'm talking about,guess again. And if you think this restoration wil come from the present hierarchy,guess again! I make no excuses whatever for defending the doctrines which are true,and known to be true.

Posted Friday, November 30, 2007 9:14 AM By mikeo
Julie M, and E.L., (God forgive me, as a fellow sinner), but you two truely are completely indoctrinated idiots. The classic catholic role of a priest is to "teach, rule and sanctify" laypeople. Do you see any of that going on here, or anywhere in the catholic world for the last 40 years for that matter? Remember the words of the new testamant about anyone who scandalizes these little ones, it would be better if a millstone were tied around his neck etc. Despite what you may think, the "glorious council" did not and could not do away with judgement and the possibility of damnation for any of us, clergy included. Take some time to read about the apparitions of the Blessed Mother at Fatima and at LaSallete, then reconsider the actions and innactions of Mandaley and Mahoney. Please consider this (paraphrased) quote from Saint Robert Bellermine ":the floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bad bishops".

Posted Friday, November 30, 2007 9:30 AM By Maria C
tom you sound like a whisper of the anti-christ. If you read your bible, you will notice that God's church always had it's problems because men sin! But our Lord's church is still there, the great Physcian is still living in it, waiting for the faithful. Because of God's mercy, the church and His truths are there for those that seek and desire it. Just because you read a few of these articles that have problems here in Liberal California, doesn't represent the church as a whole. Now go seek out the truth in Jesus and His Most Holy Catholic Church.

Posted Friday, November 30, 2007 1:15 PM By tom
Maria C--Oh yes,God's church ever exists,but it no longer in Rome which has separated from itself those who demand the traditional Mass,canonized by the Council of Trent FOR ALL TIME.Presently all roads to Rome lead to perdition. At this time,St Frances Cabrini parish in the archdiocese of Minneapolis-St Paul has announced plans to "bless" same sex relationships under the eyes and nose and full knowledge of Harry Flynn,the archbishop and pretender to be a successor of the Apostles. Flynn does nothing about it ,nor does Benedict XVI.If you think this hierarchy of Cardinals or the Pope will do anything about it you are mistaken.Some may make a few inefficacious gestures to pacify the "conservatives" but no excommunications,no sanctions--nada-zero! Soon ,there will be no more clergy with valid Holy Orders of Bishop,which means no more validly ordained Priests, with Baptism and Matrimony(which do not need a Priest for validity)will remain in your church. .The 1969 Roman Ordinal has violated the intent,matter and form for valid ordination.You follow that church at your peril.If this is the whisper of your anti-Christ,God help me.If it is the truth,God help you. It is not only liberal California that has massive church problems.The problems are vast,widespread and systemic.

Posted Friday, November 30, 2007 3:39 PM By John L. Sillasen
No, tom, your major error is to dismiss the papacy. The papacy is not an idea, but a man. Jesus guarantees this. Rhetorically you also have tossed into your pitch the false idea that Lazarus raised himself ... no, Christ raised him. This is known as a tactic used to deflect the reader's attention, so that the pitch can move forward ... slight of hand. It looks to me from what you write that your allegiance falls in the camp of sedevacantist ... it's another word for protestant. Marriage is for better or for worse; and so the faithful are like this, imperfect ... your argument defies this tradition, and also defies the doctrine of Purgatory.

Posted Friday, November 30, 2007 4:50 PM By Panther
Hmmm. Doesn't matter if its Vatican 1, 2 or 7, traditional Latin masses v. litirgical dancing -- there is a common thread here. Now I may be wrong, but I bet that a HOLLYWOOD Parish brings in a whole lot of dough to the "The Church." So, no, nothing will be done to leaders of rich parishes. It doesn't matter if they are Righty Latin or Lefty Liberal. Why? Because it's about MONEY. The Church has always been ABOUT MONEY. Pray all you want. If you stop the money, you stop the activity. Funny thing is, it's the lefty liberal parishes like BS that are the most well attended and bring in the most money. Why is that? Perhaps its because mainstream Catholics want being part of a parish that promotes peace, love and understanding.

Posted Friday, November 30, 2007 4:57 PM By Simba Hahn
Benedict cannot move effectively because his very own captains and lieutenants are the mutineers. This is an embattled church where the enemy has infiltrated within. But still the true church. I suggest we all rally around the Pope at this time. SSPX invited.

Posted Friday, November 30, 2007 8:21 PM By John L. Sillasen
Panther, they're not nearly as well attended as a big shopping mall, and neither do they bring in as much dough. Peace, love and understanding: Love commands man to follow His commandments. Understanding comes by way of the Holy Spirit. Peace is eternal, not temporal.

Posted Friday, November 30, 2007 9:31 PM By Julie M.
I still have questions.... Why, literally in God's name, would anyone spend so much time intently sifting through pictures to search for what you believe to be sin?? Is perhaps some self-examination in order here? As for the Hollywood Parish bringing in big money, Blessed Sacrament is not brimming with rich movie stars. In fact, those it serves include a multitude of homeless people in Hollywood, with hot meals and hot showers -- people who came to Babylon seeking fame and fortune, and who fell through the cracks because of despair, drugs, and the desolation that is easy to find, if you stray even one block from the glittered boulevard. And if I am indoctrinated into Jesus'commandment to love God and one another, then I thank God. What the priests in my parish have taught me is to find the face of Jesus in every person I meet, and to pray about the things which are beyond my own control. This has brought me great peace and happiness I never knew when I spent my time and energy dwelling upon things that I could not change and do not control -- including other people's behavior. Those things are in God's hands, and so are we. If you doubt that, may God bless you with the gifts of the Holy Spirit, so that you might see your own faith in a new and beautiful light. God does not want you to be always angry. Wrath is a Deadly Sin. Bitterness and paranoia are corruptions, a poison that kills slowly and separates us from God. Love is hard work, but it is more Graceful and rewarding. Rather than spinning about distant conspiracies, perhaps the same energy spent on good works and volunteerism would CREATE the change you wish to see in the Church. We've been admonished by Jesus not to be like the Pharisees -- all doctrine and no compassion. Peace and light be with you.

Posted Friday, November 30, 2007 11:43 PM By Beau Zeau
Wow, did this post ever get some traction! I would say this has been brewing for some time, as anyone who has attended the weekday masses could testify. The liturgical free-wheeling is hardly recognizable as a Catholic Mass. It bothers me that Fr. Mandala seems ready to depict Mr. Bugbee as a wackjob, but evades the issue of the dubious posters and the breast-jiggling Latina entertainers. Fr. mandala has had an extraordinary long tenure at "BS," and the Jesuit provincial should probably reassign him, and bring in somebody more in tune with the magisterium and a dignified liturgy, if there is such a person. Mr. Bugbee may be a little too exuberant for some, but God works in strange ways, and his signature gathering should be applauded by all people of good will.

Posted Saturday, December 01, 2007 12:04 AM By Maria C
tom I bet you are without sin, you keep casting the first stone. (Just joking, sorry about that) I bet you don't have to try hard enough and you would find something wrong in even the most saintly persons. Our Pope is a good man, from what I heard he has already excommunicated some since he was in office. He is doing his job, it is America that is so disobiedient. Frank we can't change your views but if you truly believe you are right, then pray for the church, pray for us. But before or while you do, get on your knee's in loving humility in our Lord and genuinly ask our Lord to show you His ways. Perservere in your asking and truly mean it, see what happends. You will find yourself fighting the good fight in our beautiful Catholic Church in Christ Jesus! God bless you in your efforts.

Posted Saturday, December 01, 2007 6:57 AM By John L. Sillasen
Julie M, we are God's hands.

Posted Saturday, December 01, 2007 7:01 AM By Pam
Julie, I don't know which parish you are talking about, but if you are talking about the Blessed Sacrament parish then the flock got the message. I believe we are to be a church of service to the poor in spirit and in body. What is going on at this church with this type of behavior is sacraligious, but God will deal with this priest as He deals with all of us. But the authorities of the church must be informed.The poor must be taken care of and God will take care of the rest. May there be many more Julie's and the like in this world. It needs many more. God bless you Julie

Posted Saturday, December 01, 2007 12:02 PM By mikeo
Someone mentioned e-mailing the vatican. It probably won't help but the address is benedictxvi@vatican.va/ Maphony's phone# 213-637-7261 fax# 213-637-6510 Mandala( the jesuit.. hah) 323-462 6311 fax#323-462-0113 parish e-mail (church@blessedsacrementhollywood.org)

Posted Saturday, December 01, 2007 2:13 PM By Joseph Sheehan
WHAT CAN OUR CHURCH EXPECT WHEN SO MANY OF US CONDONE THE MURDER OF 4300 UNBORN CHILDREN A DAY LET ALONE THE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF BABIES THAT ARE NOT CONCEIVED DAILY BECAUSE OF ARTIFICIAL CONTRACEPTION. JOE SHEEHAN

Posted Saturday, December 01, 2007 8:22 PM By Goldman
I'm a businessman who is new to these religious controversies. But I do want to give a piece of strategic advice to practicing priests: Better learn TLM now, or you'll lose your market value.

Posted Saturday, December 01, 2007 11:41 PM By Maria C
mikeo thank you for the info, even if we don't think that it'll help, our efforts will not go in vein. Joseph Sheehan thank you for reminding us of this, we have babies dieing in the hands of abortionist, I am heavily saddened by this. Their blood is shed and they are crying in terror in the womb as this takes place. Poor souls that their destiny had to be of such horrible death, our Lord is listening to them day by day, and I trust in our Lord and in His people to put a stop to this someday. May it be our Lord's will. His will be done. May our Lord have mercy on us.

Posted Sunday, December 02, 2007 12:59 PM By tom
Maria C---dear lady--while I may be many things,being sinless is not one of them. But that there are evil men in the Church in high positions teaching error and who are doing nothing to correct the wickedness of those under their direct authority and control, is manifestly obvious. In the words of Pope St Felix III "Not to to oppose error is to approve it; and not to defend the truth is to suppress it. And,indeed,to neglect to confound evil men---when you can do so---is no less a sin than to encourage them."

Posted Sunday, December 02, 2007 3:04 PM By Bernard
A love staunch Latin Mass Catholics who don't believe in the Pope in Rome. Oxymoronic Catholics I call them with the emphasis on the middle syllable "moron".

Posted Sunday, December 02, 2007 5:02 PM By Mira
Tom, your Dec 2, 2007 post is what I really feel also. Those are the things I want to express but can't figure out.

Posted Sunday, December 02, 2007 7:16 PM By John L. Sillasen
Mira, it's easy to figure out ... all you have to do is stop believing that Jesus appointed Peter and his successors to rule the Church, and guarantees it until the end of time. Then go ahead and replace the pope with a document or two, and there you have it. Easy as pie, huh? You can bake a different one any ol' time you choose to.

Posted Sunday, December 02, 2007 8:21 PM By Pam
Glorybe...prayer is not the answer. God is the answer. Jesus the redeemer, The Holy Spirit the sanctifier. I believe in the giver of the word. And Him I receive in the sacraments. There is no church on this earth that is without sin. There is no sinless preacher or priest. But there was one church established by Jesus Christ. There was not thousands of them. They all came from one church. It is up to us to find the one true church. If we call ourselves "christians" we are all part of a "christian" church. In that way there should be unity. To attack each others religions as Christians is exactly what satan wants us to do. It brings division. In unity there is power. We all must pray for an annointing of the Holy Spirit through out the whole world for unity.

Posted Sunday, December 02, 2007 8:29 PM By Mira
Oh, I'm sorry, I was not aware of Tom's other anti-pope comments which I could not agree. My stand is that catholicism is the church founded by Christ, Peter as the Vicar whose successor, Benedict, is being betrayed even by his officers.

Posted Sunday, December 02, 2007 10:42 PM By John L. Sillasen
Ever notice how plain and uncomplicated the holy writings, and how intricately articulated the rationalizations for dissent often are? It's no hard and fast rule, of course, but what tends to stand out is multiple references to sources which are hard to verify or would take a long time to find. This in itself is not totally telling either; for, the CCC can send the reader to a maze of references, each one referring to another ... Scripture is much easier, but also sends readers to a bevy of references. I think that's why the Baltimore Catechism was so popular ... easy to read and clearly addressing matters with great clarity. I've only read bits of it, and may never read it fully ... language and ways of applying the mind have changed enough to make it no less difficult to deal with ... but principally I suspect the real problem is the lack of faith in those who are meant to be trusted; I think the Baltimore Catechism depended on this trust. Language depends upon trust more than legal conventions. As with the teachings published in any age, we are called to read with eyes of faith. When we don't, that's when we're on our own.

Posted Sunday, December 02, 2007 10:53 PM By Maria C
Mira God bless you for trusting in Christ's word and teachings. Tom you are right, there are evil men in the church and even outside the church. But since I am only a speck, a sinner, what I can only do is trust in my Lord. He will correct all this. Tom I do agree with you on that we should not sit and watch but to stand up for the truth. That is why we are fighting the good fight. It may not be perfect but it is God who perfects in us what we need perfecting.

Posted Tuesday, December 04, 2007 11:34 AM By Melinda
Yes its all about the Traditional Latin Mass folks and it is growing by leaps and bounds even priests and bishops are in shock and guess what? Its being led by the YOUNG not the OLD FOGGIES like the Leftwing and progessive aka Latin Mass haters would have you to think!!!!!! Thank You Holy Father you have just given the Church THE TRUE SPRINGTIME it has been waiting for!!!

Posted Tuesday, December 04, 2007 3:21 PM By Roberta Kreuzmann
Says it all Melinda, Iam one of those young people and I was not around for the TLM, but grew up with the N.O. it did not do a thing for me, until I discovered the TLM and the F.S.S.P. Truly a humbling experiance to worship as the Saints did with Gregorian chant, and the very words of Jesus Christ with priest and people facing East and all of us praying the Holy Mass!!!!

Posted Tuesday, December 04, 2007 4:20 PM By Nestor
I think there is a passage in the bible about priests preventing the people from entering the Holy of Holies, but they themselves (priests) won't enter. This should be a warning to liberal bishops not to prevent us, the youth, from finding TLM.

Posted Tuesday, December 04, 2007 7:53 PM By John L. Sillasen
The Old Testament priests elected one who would go into the Holy of Holies one time per year. This was the high priest, who served a one year term. The others would tie a cord on his leg, so as to be able to pull his body back out if he were killed by God while in there. If he was unclean, then God would snuff him. Now, Jesus' apostles once prevented kids from being allowed up close to Jesus while He was teaching. He told them, then, not to keep the children from coming to Him. There is a parallel: Jesus, by mediating, allows us to see God; whereas, prior to His advent, there was no way for it to happen ... the high priest did not actually see God, but like Moses receiving the Ten Commandments, would die if exposed to too much of the radiance of God. That radiance is mediated by Jesus, and thus we individuals will get only as much as we can stand. Some saints have lived to such degrees of purity that miraculous things have happened due to them being able to stand far more of God's brilliance than the rest of us. The Stigmata, the apparitions, ect ... The pure of heart shall see God. Jesus is that absolutely pure heart, and in communion with Him we have seen God ... "If you have seen me, you have seen God", I think it goes. But of course we each see more or less of God ... depending on our own conditions ... but Jesus purifies us enough to get a glimpse.

Posted Wednesday, December 05, 2007 12:06 AM By Andrew
I dont know what the poster is for or about. All I know is you are all crying about something but ignoring the log in your eye. How many of you that say the "skin" is evil have sex while unmarried? Hypocrites! And if you say to leave to a church that worships God you should be excommunicated as you are guilty of blasphemy. ALL CATHOLIC CHURCHES WORSHIP GOD. Should you assume otherwise I guess you deny Christ in the Eucharist. You are taking sides with a crazy man and not with a priest but I bet you all watch movies that show far worse that that poster. You ALL have watched movies rated "r" . You ALL have seen nudity and did not raise such a complaint . This is easy pickings to point fingers at a priest when you are the sinners. You all do far worse in your happy lives in Hollywood and in your silent guilt and lack of repentance and in the disgust you should feel for your own pathetic lives you must blame another for your own fault. I would suggest you all be denied communion. While the Pastor is at it.. why not take away the young peoples club? All the dating leads to sex. Also lets just cancel all the other fun things that try to bring the failed excuse for a Catholic community together. Lets just sit in a room staring at the wall or point fingers at each other for how bad we all are and never confess or admit that we fall short. Lets just cancel everything because it might offend someone. Lets get rid of it all so we all can just do as we always do. Drink , party every friday and saturday then lie on Sunday . Come monday repeat the cycle and keep pointing the finger. Would Jesus be amused that you are attacking his priest who can forgive your NEARLY INFINITE SINS that you never confess because you all think you are perfect because a woman that God made offends you. Apologize to everyone while you still can.

Posted Wednesday, December 05, 2007 1:34 AM By Andrew
I dont know what the poster is for or about. All I know is you are all crying about something but ignoring the log in your eye. How many of you that say the "skin" is evil have sex while unmarried? Hypocrites! And if you say to leave to a church that worships God you should be excommunicated as you are guilty of blasphemy. ALL CATHOLIC CHURCHES WORSHIP GOD. Should you assume otherwise I guess you deny Christ in the Eucharist. You are taking sides with a crazy man and not with a priest but I bet you all watch movies that show far worse that that poster. You ALL have watched movies rated "r" . You ALL have seen nudity and did not raise such a complaint . This is easy pickings to point fingers at a priest when you are the sinners. You all do far worse in your happy lives in Hollywood and in your silent guilt and lack of repentance and in the disgust you should feel for your own pathetic lives you must blame another for your own fault. I would suggest you all be denied communion. While the Pastor is at it.. why not take away the young peoples club? All the dating leads to sex. Also lets just cancel all the other fun things that try to bring the failed excuse for a Catholic community together. Lets just sit in a room staring at the wall or point fingers at each other for how bad we all are and never confess or admit that we fall short. Lets just cancel everything because it might offend someone. Lets get rid of it all so we all can just do as we always do. Drink , party every friday and saturday then lie on Sunday . Come monday repeat the cycle and keep pointing the finger. Would Jesus be amused that you are attacking his priest who can forgive your NEARLY INFINITE SINS that you never confess because you all think you are perfect because a woman that God made offends you. Apologize to everyone while you still can.

Posted Wednesday, December 05, 2007 5:00 PM By Midas
Andrew, you are right we should give the priest all the privilege of sleeping with everyone, after all, why should we complain when we are sinners ourselves. We should also tell our children that we will not get in the way in whatever indecent affair they will do since we parents are sinners. We should also place pictures of naked women not only in our malls and houses, but also in the most Holy House of God. After all, God will understand because we are sinners. We should also tell our youth that genuine love for God and His word do not exist, that's why anyone who will defend the Pope or the word of God is a hypocrite. Andrew, I want to cannonize you for your good judgement. Unfortunately, I would like to use bazooka in that process.

Posted Wednesday, December 05, 2007 5:15 PM By Jeric
Andrew, thank you for posting your autobiography full of s-x. By the way, have you exerted efforts to overcome carnal temptation?

Posted Wednesday, December 05, 2007 7:04 PM By Tajanhel
Tell me Andrew, which standard should we strive to follow, yours or God's? Is striving to follow God Hypocrisy? None of the conservative bloggers here claimed to be sinless. People who are offended by sacrilege are not hypocrites. People who rationalize the denial of God's laws are the hypocrites.

Posted Wednesday, December 05, 2007 7:30 PM By Daryl
Who appointed Andrew to be spokesman for the rest of us sinners?

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