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Published: May 21, 2008
“Planning to come regardless”
Cardinal Mahony forbids dissident bishop to speak in the Los Angeles archdiocese
Saying he was working in accord with his brother bishops in Australia and Rome, Cardinal Roger Mahony on May 9 forbade a retired Australian bishop to address a group of lay Catholics in the Los Angeles archdiocese.
Bishop Geoffrey Robinson, a retired auxiliary bishop of Sydney, Australia, published a book last year that won the condemnation of the Australian bishops conference. In Confronting Power and Sex in the Catholic Church: Reclaiming the Spirit of Jesus, Robinson calls for a reexamination of Church teachings on extramarital sex, women’s ordination, homosexuality, and papal power in order to properly respond to sex abuse by clergy. Robinson for nine years headed the Australian bishops’ conference’s Committee for Professional Standards, which drew up policy to respond to sexual abuse victims.
Earlier this month, the Australian bishops issued a statement on Robinson’s book, saying it questions “the authority of the Church” – a questioning which is “connected to Bishop Robinson's uncertainty about the knowledge and authority of Christ himself.”
Robinson’s book, said the bishops, “casts doubt” on the belief that “the Church's Magisterium teaches the truth authoritatively in the name of Christ.” In so doing, the book “leads … to the questioning of Catholic teaching on, among other things, the nature of Tradition, the inspiration of the Holy Scripture, the infallibility of the Councils and the Pope, the authority of the Creeds, the nature of the ministerial priesthood and central elements of the Church's moral teaching,” said the Australian bishops’ statement.
In a May 15 response to the bishops, Robinson did not deny the particular allegations but said his book “is about the response to the revelations of sexual abuse within the church. Sexual abuse is all about power and sex, so it is surely reasonable to ask questions about power and sex in the church.” The bishops, said Robinson, have imposed “impossible restrictions on any serious and objective study, and it is where I have broken from the Bishops Conference. We must be free to follow the argument wherever it leads.”
Robinson is currently on an U.S. tour, which will bring him (among other locations) to San Diego on June 10 and to the Los Angeles archdiocese. The June 12 event featuring Robinson at Holy Spirit Retreat Center in Encino is being sponsored by Call to Action, Voice of the Faithful, and Dignity. The center is run by the Sisters of Social Service.
In a May 9 letter to Robinson, Cardinal Mahony said he was “once again” writing of the bishop’s upcoming speaking engagement. “Your letter informing me of your coming appearance made it clear that you were not seeking my permission or approval, that you were planning to come regardless,” said Mahony.
In light of the Australian bishops’ condemnation of Robinson’s book and the fact, as Mahony said he learned, that Cardinal Giovanni Battista Re, the Prefect for the Congregation of Bishops, had asked Robinson to cancel his U.S. tour, Mahony forbade Robinson to speak in the L.A. archdiocese.
“Under the provisions of Canon 763 , I hereby deny you permission to speak in the Archdiocese of Los Angeles,” wrote Mahony to Robinson.
Canon 763 says “bishops have the right to preach the word of God everywhere, including in churches and oratories of religious institutes of pontifical right, unless the local bishop has expressly forbidden it in particular cases.”
Mahony urged Robinson to cancel his U.S. tour and follow the recommendations of the Australian bishops’ conference.
Posted Wednesday, May 21, 2008 5:00 AM By Fr. M.P.
I find this sadly funny when Cardinal Mahoney allows many dissenting speakers at his own Religious Education Congress. Why doesn't he prohibit the same type of speakers at the REC? After all, Robinson preaches the same type of dissent and heresy. And we also see how "faithful" that the group Voice of the Faithful is, who sponsor such dissent. There are the usual dissent suspects of Dignity and Call to Action as well.
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Posted Wednesday, May 21, 2008 6:51 AM By Angelo
Mahony urging obedience to Canon Law. Imagine that.
Is this a "do as I say, not what I do" kind of urging?
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Posted Wednesday, May 21, 2008 7:53 AM By Salvatore.G
It's ammazing, that mahony, has energie to keep out a speaker that I do not know anything about. But when the state supreme court came out, on the gay marriage ruling, were was he at ?; to reaffirm the church stand.
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Posted Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:04 AM By Sick and Tired
Dear Fr. M.P., I think I can answer your question with a single sentence ... "It's good to be king."
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Posted Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:19 AM By Dan
I am glad Cardinal Mahoney took this step. I am grateful for any sign of life in this prince of the Church. Let us pray all the more for him for greater courage and fidelity.
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Posted Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:46 AM By Dan
I think Mahony has come to his senses. He wrote about his experience recently when the Pope came to the US. He admits he is a much different person than before. This is a sign of approvement. He has invited dissenters.
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Posted Wednesday, May 21, 2008 9:58 AM By James
Wow, why is Mahoney acting like a Catholic all of a sudden? There must be more to this story, Mahoney is nearly the US-equivalent of Robinson, so why would he forbid him?
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Posted Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:05 AM By SNoel
Let's thank our Bishops when they do get it right so they will be encouraged to continue in that direction. Maybe the Holy Father's visit is having a far reaching effect on our U.S. Bishops, even all the way to California! Imagine that!
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Posted Wednesday, May 21, 2008 12:10 PM By Kristen J
I agree, SNoel!
Few of us who are lay people (and even parish priests, I suppose) have any idea how hard it must be to be a good bishop and what attacks from Hell fall on such men. It's easy to carp at them from the "cheap seats," but would we be able to do much better?!
We need to pray for our bishops! God will give us the bishops we pray for, so if we carp less and pray more, we might just have less to complain about!
weareacatholicfamily.blogspot.com
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Posted Wednesday, May 21, 2008 12:21 PM By Kristen J
I agree, SNoel!
Few of us who are lay people (and even parish priests, I suppose) have any idea how hard it must be to be a good bishop and what attacks from Hell fall on such men. It's easy to carp at them from the "cheap seats," but would we be able to do much better?!
We need to pray for our bishops! God will give us the bishops we pray for, so if we carp less and pray more, we might just have less to complain about!
weareacatholicfamily.blogspot.com
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Posted Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:09 PM By tom
Let's pray for the Cardinal. This question is for a priest or any other person schooled in the Canons. Can you please answer it? Can a Bishop lawfully forbid another Bishop, Priest or Religious from speaking in his Diocese if that person is in good standing with their Diocese, National Bishop's Conference, or Provincial? Perhaps some of the people that we find as dissenters are not banned from the REC because their point of origin does not have an official or canonical problem with them. In this case, the Cardinal was following the wishes of his brother Bishops in Australia, but if his brother Bishops in other Dioceses are not doing to the people that we categorize as dissenters what the Australian Bishops did to this one Bishop, I believe it's harder to enforce the Canon that the Cardinal cited. Can someone with credible knowledge and not just an opinion possibly answer this one for me? Thank you.
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Posted Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:49 PM By John L. Sillasen
from the article: " ... and the fact, as Mahony said he learned, that Cardinal Giovanni Battista Re, the Prefect for the Congregation of Bishops, had asked Robinson to cancel his U.S. tour, Mahony forbade Robinson to speak in the L.A. archdiocese. " Does this answer the question of why Cdl M recused Bp Robinson from official tolerance?
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Posted Wednesday, May 21, 2008 1:52 PM By Kristen J
I agree, SNoel!
Few of us who are lay people (and even parish priests, I suppose) have any idea how hard it must be to be a good bishop and what attacks from Hell fall on such men. It's easy to carp at them from the "cheap seats," but would we be able to do much better?!
We need to pray for our bishops! God will give us the bishops we pray for, so if we carp less and pray more, we might just have less to complain about!
weareacatholicfamily.blogspot.com
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Posted Wednesday, May 21, 2008 2:02 PM By Edward Peffer
Why is it that the "negatives" of truths dominate even the Catholic perspectives? There are signs of hope, since Priests for Life lately has changed from merely crusading against the holocaust of abortions, and started promoting Humanae Vitae, maybe because its Biblical 40 years comes
this July 25, 1968. We know Pope Paul VI never issued another encyclical because this prophetic one was being rejected by consensus (as by Greeley in The Tidings), so
is it clear there has been a change in America? Will the next U.S. president equal Bush's pro-life Court nominations?
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Posted Wednesday, May 21, 2008 2:19 PM By Elizabeth
YES, let's thank our Bishops when they are 'TRUE SHEPHERDS'!!!!
And let's PRAY, PRAY, PRAY THAT THEY 'BE NOT AFRAID'.
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Posted Wednesday, May 21, 2008 3:50 PM By Kristen J
I agree, SNoel!
Few of us who are lay people (and even parish priests, I suppose) have any idea how hard it must be to be a good bishop and what attacks from Hell fall on such men. It's easy to carp at them from the "cheap seats," but would we be able to do much better?!
We need to pray for our bishops! God will give us the bishops we pray for, so if we carp less and pray more, we might just have less to complain about!
weareacatholicfamily.blogspot.com
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Posted Wednesday, May 21, 2008 6:07 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
Kristen J.
Why have you repeated the same message FOUR TIMES!
Regarding Mahony and Robinson, have you not heard of the Communist tactic of taking one step backwards in order to take two or even three forward?
God bless, yours in Their Hearts,
Kenneth M. Fisher, Founder & Chairman
Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc.
www.crcoa.com
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Posted Wednesday, May 21, 2008 7:38 PM By RR
Kenneth M. Fisher: It's not Kristen J.'s fault her post is on here 4 times. This has happened to my posts before. It gets posted more thyan once. It is something that I think the editor accidently does.
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Posted Wednesday, May 21, 2008 8:22 PM By John L. Sillasen
Almost all of the US Supreme Court justices have been put there by Republican "pro-life" presidents ... abortion continues to rage. Is it so hard to connect the dots?
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Posted Wednesday, May 21, 2008 8:49 PM By Michael
My faith is not so puny and frail as to be harmed by other opinions. I want to know what Bishop Robinson has to say.
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Posted Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:44 PM By Sick and Tired
Dear Fr. M.P., I think I can answer your question with a single sentence ... "It's good to be king."
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Posted Wednesday, May 21, 2008 10:49 PM By Dan
"Regarding Mahony and Robinson, have you not heard of the Communist tactic of taking one step backwards in order to take two or even three forward?" Kenneth -- I do not know what is in Cardinal Mahoney's heart; I think there is substantial grounds for cynicism but some grounds for hope as well. Maybe, just maybe, Benedict is getting to Roger. Dare we hope? I certainly will be praying more and harder, and looking for confirmation one way or another. And I have a feeling it won't be long before confirmation will come -- again -- one way or another. God bless.
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Posted Wednesday, May 21, 2008 11:40 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
Dan,
I agree that we must pray that he is sincere, but based on his past performances, the chances are slim!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher, Founder & Chairman Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc. www.crcoa.com
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Posted Thursday, May 22, 2008 1:55 AM By AnnCA
Sorry, but I don't believe Mahony has taken a miraculous turn towards orthodoxy. My money is on a bad history between these two or behind the scenes ulterior motive.
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Posted Thursday, May 22, 2008 11:02 AM By Stephen C.
Retired Bishop, Geoffrey Robinson was Auxiliary Bishop of Sydney until his retirement three years ago, and he's one of the most intellectual and capable of all the Australian bishops. He lectured in canon law for many years; I'm told he's a fine classicist; he sat on the Marriage Tribunal of the Archdiocese of Sydney, which is one of those positions where you'd learn a lot about the real world; and he was regarded by many people as the logical successor to Cardinal Ted Clancy as Archbishop of Sydney. In the 1990s he was given the terrible task of co-ordinating the church's national response to the clerical sexual abuse crisis, and he earned the deep respect of Australian Catholics for his integrity.
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Posted Thursday, May 22, 2008 2:12 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
John L.
I repeat, none of the so called Republican Governors after Reagan were real Republicans, they were REPUBLICRATS!
God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher, Founder & Chairman Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc. www.crcoa.co
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Posted Thursday, May 22, 2008 6:13 PM By John L. Sillasen
Ken, the government has been liberal for a long time. We are merely in the era when it has overwhelmed any semblance of conservatism. The GOP has nothing to do with conservatism at present. There may be a few token politicians in Congress but they have no effect on anything. Ask Bob Dornan what happens when a conservative gets too powerful. All the Republican party is doing is paving the way for the radical left.
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Posted Thursday, May 22, 2008 6:24 PM By Larry O'Dea
Bishop Robinson's book is a deep meditation on dealing with the canker of sexual abuse (and the Church's silence) uncovered in nine years as the Australian Bishops' representative on the body jointly set up by the ACBC and Religious Orders to confront allegations of sexual abuse of children by priests and religious.
He listened to over 1,000 victim's testimonials, all of which were proved, and all of which went to the abuse of power by serial pedophiles who had hypocritically used their authority to perpetuate their crimes. His book comes from this dark place and his question is specific - How does the Church remake itself so that this doesn't happen again? HIs most controversial ideas are for reforming the governance of Church so that it is more representative, transparent and accountable to the people it serves.
The fear that his ideas inspires can be gauged by the ACBC statement, citing "doctrinal" errors, but without explaining what these are. The statement will require more elaboration if it is to be accepted by wary Australian Catholics who view it as a blanket over the man who did the Bishops' dirty work for so long - but for whom his findings are apparently heresy.
No one at the ACBC will speak to support the statement, not even Cardinal Pell who is the head of Teaching and Morals - for fear that they will have to enter a discourse on the book.
The Pope is in Sydney for WYD in July, and they wouldn't want to upset him with reporters asking ugly questions. But 3,000 media in town, they probably will try anyhow.
The attempt at a US boycott of Robinson by the ACBC reflects badly on them. Their statement was released May 11, though dated May 6.
Between those dates Cardinal Mahony, on May 9, issued his letter denying Robinson permission to speak, citing the ACBC statement though it hadn't come out. Natural justice? No. Conspirators? Yes. Is this the face of Christ?
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Posted Thursday, May 22, 2008 9:31 PM By John L. Sillasen
So, anyone who disagrees with Robinson does so out of fear? How can this be, since the issue is on a small matter, insignificant, of changing the hierarchy of the Church ... putting perhaps a modest democratic touch to it? Yes, it must obviously be that the cause of the sex abuse is the way the Church was set up by Jesus Christ ... good enough for a few centuries, but now in the era when mankind has evolved into an enlightened species fully aware of how to rule him/her/itself ... well, the only thing stopping world peace and joy is the papacy. It is all so clear. If he won't step down, then we pick up the pitchforks and torches and march up the hill to his palace.
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Posted Friday, May 23, 2008 5:31 AM By Fr. M.P.
It doesn't matter how educated or intellectual that a person is once they wander off from the truth - the truth taught by the Catholic Church. The devil is more intelligent than all humans put together, and where did that get him? Without obedience to the truth, man's opinions are worthless and destructive. Robinson should reexamine his beliefs in light of God's Truth.
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Posted Friday, May 23, 2008 12:31 PM By John L. Sillasen
Also, as far as our intellect goes, what we as individuals lack, we can make up for with our communities, and what all of us put together lack, God supplies. So, no matter how it is looked at, no matter what perspective, no matter by whom ... when we are faithful to God, we live His intellect and deliver it to the world of the faithless and to the fallen angels ... and to the rest of creation, ie to the environment. The Church is the "man" part of the Godman, Jesus Christ ... there is no separation nor disunity, for it is God the Holy Spirit Who makes us one. In Christ we share in the use of the intelligence of God. This living unity explains, hopefully, to doubters why they can not make headway against the Church even by using Scripture ... God's intellect which is given us abundantly is more than what we have which is written.
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Posted Friday, May 23, 2008 2:54 PM By R.C.
In English, it's only a tiny preposition, two little letters, but it has helped the Catholic Church get its power relationships wrong for centuries. Dissident Sydney Bishop Geoffrey Robinson shows how in the translation from Greek to Latin the church took a serious wrong turn that gave priests an inflated view of their special status and helped create a climate in which abusers could flourish. In the Epistle to the Hebrews, the Bible talks of a priest being "chosen". The Greek word means "taken" but in Latin it became "taken up". The "up" implies they are lifted to a higher level than laypeople, which allows an element of "messiah complex", and eventually a mystique.
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Posted Friday, May 23, 2008 5:40 PM By Fr. M.P.
R.C., Jesus said "You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide; so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you." (John 15:16) A priest should live In Persona Christi - in the Person of Christ. Robinson, and those that agree with him, are trying to use the sins of a few to replace the Church established by Jesus with a church of man. You don't change the law when it is transgressed, you change the law-breaker. God's Law doesn't need changing.
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Posted Friday, May 23, 2008 10:55 PM By John L. Sillasen
R.C., it doesn't matter how you translate that word, in the same way that there is a variety of decent Bible translations. Languages cannot be exactly translated, in case you were not aware of this fact. The easiest examples that demonstrate this are found in Spanish ... Latin based words common to both that language and English sometimes have somewhat different meanings. To show you how radically powerful and accurate God's words are to us, I once used a Jehovah's Witness Bible to defeat their own interpretations. God speaks through many ears ... all you have to do is believe Him and listen. The Bible is a written recording from faithful witnesses, not a living being. The living Being is God Who will converse with you if you open your heart to Him. If all you choose to do is defy Him, then you'll search in vain for some iota of Scripture to validate your opinion.
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Posted Sunday, May 25, 2008 1:19 PM By M. Gordon
The danger that a betrayal of trust on a scale such as that which we have witnessed will happen again in the near or distant future remains acute so long as the hierarchy resists the painful self-examination into their essential role in it. Moving a step further, this honest self-examination will only happen when there is a shift from the understanding of the Church as monarchy to church as community. When the Church achieves this stage of evolution towards true community, the welfare of the vulnerable will no longer be sacrificed to the image and power of the hierarchy.
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Posted Monday, May 26, 2008 8:28 AM By John L. Sillasen
That's a pretty salient point, M. Gordon; why doesn't the hierarchy dive into a "painful self-examination". Isn't that a basic part of Catholicism? So, how can they claim to be leading if they fail to live by their vocations?
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Posted Monday, May 26, 2008 9:27 AM By Fr. M.P.
M Gordon, Jesus established His Church as a monarchy. That is in Vatican II Lumen Gentium. While those sinners in the hierarchy should be doing their self-examination (as should everyone on the planet be doing self-examinations for the frequent Sacrament of Confession - how about you?), your proposed "fix" violates the Divine Institution. And the community paradigm is also flawed regardless. God and His Church is familial - a family. Headed by the Father, with the Mother being the heart, and the children. Children don't vote on their Father and Mother, at least good children don't.
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Posted Monday, May 26, 2008 3:33 PM By John L. Sillasen
Oops, I missed Mr. Gordon's call to change what Christ instituted, the hierarchical Church. No, that would be a. playing into the hands of the devil, and b. impossible. I'll lay odds that Mr. Gordon is a member of VOtF, which is characterized by its subtlety of seduction. I was able to show this from its inceptive arguments years ago ... first time I found I could unravel this sort of deception was the case of then Gov Mario Cuomo's speech to the law students at Notre Dame Univ ... if anyone wants to read what a forked tongue is like, then read that speech he made. It took a week or so for the major Catholic faithful to figure it out, but they did and they published it, and that shut down Cuomo's presidential aspirations. VOtF uses a style that is not characterized by a forked tongue, but by sliding in sometimes hard to see caveats ... such as appear in Mr. Gordon's post. They get away with it because most Americans have a strong sense of democracy, and apparently look through its lens longer than is called for, and thus can easily miss the tiger descending on their neck.
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Posted Monday, May 26, 2008 4:04 PM By Mary Pitcher
As an update, Bishop Robinson will not be speaking in Encino at the retreat center. Bishop Robinson didn't want to put the good Sisters of Social Service in jeopardy. The event was moved to the Four Points by Sheraton Hotel, 5990 Green Valley Circle, Culver City.
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Posted Monday, May 26, 2008 5:11 PM By M. Gordon
You are 100% wrong on everthing you wrote about me.
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Posted Monday, May 26, 2008 9:47 PM By John L. Sillasen
Just going by what you posted, M. Gordon. Why don't you set the record straight?
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Posted Monday, May 26, 2008 9:59 PM By Kenneth M. Fisher
Pray tell M. Gordon, where is Fr. M.P. 100% wrong on everything he wrote about you?
God bless, yours in Their Hearts, Kenneth M. Fisher, Founder & Chairman Concerned Roman Catholics of America, Inc. www.crcoa.co
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Posted Tuesday, May 27, 2008 5:41 AM By Fr. M.P.
M Gordon, well then, please provide the Church teachings which prove your points.
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Posted Saturday, June 07, 2008 2:32 PM By M. Bird
I agree with Bishop Robinson that we need an open dis-cussion of the issues that have hurt so many & have hurt
the church & really assess the causes & begin to work on the solutions. I agree these are very difficult issues but to prevent discussion seems to me a more grievous error.
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