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“At a time of day that is convenient for the people”

Plans for Traditional Latin Mass move forward in Monterey diocese, extraordinary rite also being celebrated in other dioceses


Monterey Bishop Richard Garcia has begun to fulfill his promise of assuring celebration of the Traditional Latin Mass in his diocese.

In July, the Diocese of Monterey announced that it would have two Tridentine Masses in place by September -- one at the northern end, the other at the southern end of the diocese. Initially, the Tridentine Mass was to be celebrated twice a month at both northern and southern non-parish locations.

In a September pastoral letter entitled “In Him We Live,” Bishop Garcia reiterated his promise – but noted that the number of intended locations for celebrating the Tridentine Mass had risen to three. The third location for the Mass, said the bishop, will serve the central region of the diocese.

“Many of you have asked about our Holy Father, Pope Benedict XVI's recent ‘Moto proprio Summorum Pontificum’ regarding the availability of the 1962 mass according to the Roman Missal promulgated by Pope John XXIII,” wrote Garcia. The bishop explained that “both forms [of the Mass] celebrate our participation in sacrificial death and glorious Resurrection of Jesus Christ: in the ‘ordinary’ form or post-Vatican II, we do so by means of our English (vernacular) language and communal prayer, while in the extraordinary or pre-Vatican II form, participation also includes listening to the prayers in Latin and joining our hearts to the words and actions.”

The bishop, however, hinted that he might not meet the September deadline. In celebrating the Tridentine Mass, said Garcia, “the Church has to be liturgically appropriate.” He said he was seeking “the assistance of Priests who can celebrate the Mass as our Holy Father has required, with the ability and heartfelt desire to celebrate the 1962 Latin Mass.” Garcia noted that he wanted the Mass celebrated “at a time of day that is convenient for the people and Priests but without infringing on the already busy Sunday schedule of Masses in many of our Parishes.”

According to a Sept. 6 SanLuisObispo.com report, diocesan spokesman Kevin Drabinski said definitely that celebrations of the Tridentine Mass would not begin in September. He noted, however, that the locations for the Mass would be Pismo Beach, San Ardo, and at Mission San Juan Bautista.

The November Observer, the Monterey diocesan newspaper, reported that the first of the promised Masses has begun. Fr. Michael Bell celebrates the Mass using the 1962 Roman Missal promulgated by Pope John XXIII at St. Paul the Apostle’s church, a Franciscan Conventual parish, in Pismo Beach – but not twice a month, as indicated in July, but every Sunday at 12:30 p.m.

St. Paul’s also has weekly Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament, on Thursdays from 1-8 p.m.

Dioceses where celebrations of the Tridentine Mass have begun this year besides Monterey include San Diego, San Jose, Orange, San Bernardino, Los Angeles, and Sacramento. Though the Diocese of Santa Rosa has two locations for the Tridentine Mass celebrations (under the indult), Bishop Daniel Walsh in August said, “It will be some time before we see what concretely this permission for the use of the old missal will mean for our Diocese.”


READER COMMENTS

Posted Friday, November 09, 2007 11:04 AM By Gilad
Thank You Bishops! Thank You Holy Spirit! God Save the Tridentine Mass! Thank You for those who attend Regularly the Tridentine Mass!!

Posted Friday, November 09, 2007 2:00 PM By Daniel
A refreshing story about a California based Bishop, most likely considered a renegade by many of his fellow Bishops in the land of Oz and heresy. Wonder if guys like Steinbock and Mahoney ever read this web-site, ah, probably would not understand the concerns of the faithful, better to have Mass with pretty dancing liturgal dancers, training programs at Cosmic enlightenment centers and the like than a silly Latin Mass that would bring out the reverence of the Eucharistic celebration. Where are you Holy Spirit? Time to enlighten your wayward Bishops. Bring hell back, was it a Pope or a Cardinal that eliminated it? God Bless this good Monterey Bishop and the many other Bishops that are making a difference using that ancient book called the Bible.

Posted Friday, November 09, 2007 2:19 PM By Georgina
Yes, Thank You Bishops! Thank You for giving back to us what was rightfully ours in the first place; and was stolen from us so many years ago. We, who are the TRULY FAITHFUL, have been lost since that time. And While You Are At It, Give Us Back Our Communion Rails, Our Altars, Put The BLESSED SACRAMENT Back Where HE Belongs!! Let HIM No Longer Be A Second Class Citizen In HIS Own House!!!

Posted Friday, November 09, 2007 6:40 PM By maria c
Thank you : )

Posted Friday, November 09, 2007 6:50 PM By Drexel
Now I feel lucky that I'm connected to a diocese whose bishop is compliant to the Pope, the saints, the apostles, and Christ. I understand how other catholics felt when the spiritual treasures were taken away from them. There was a song entitled "Everybody Wants to Rule the World." It seems it has a grain of truth though exaggerated. But why not make it "Everybody Wants to be God"? Some priests are tempted to take the rule of God during Mass, sitting at the center facing the people. People are no longer kneeling before God. They are kneeling before the priest, and with all the reverence we give to the celebrant, as well the effects of his regal robes, its tempting to play God. In fact some bishops are enjoying it.

Posted Friday, November 09, 2007 8:10 PM By Polneon
Daniel: Would you do us a favor and reference the parts of he Bible that the good Monterey Bishop is throwing at us?

Posted Friday, November 09, 2007 8:11 PM By Ygnacia
The Bishop wants to have the Tridentine Mass at the Mission San Juan Bautista soon, but so far there are no priests willing to do it. The pastor there, Fr. Fitzhenry, has stated that when it starts it will probebly be on Sunday evenings...May our Lord richly bless Bishop Garcia for his pastoral care of his flock! May other Bishops follow his good example.

Posted Friday, November 09, 2007 8:20 PM By Puttss
Georgina: I suppose that you find it faithful, loyal and righteous to accuse the Church of stealing what was rightfully yours. May I remind you that even the popes celebrate the Holy Mass in the vernacular these days, and have been doing it for centuries without an altar rail. May I also add that the place where the Blessed Sacrament really belongs is in our hearts and souls and be an on-going, dynamic sacramental of His presence. Make yourself a living tabernacle (Temple of the Holy Spirit) and you won't have to go haywire over what is happening inside the four walls of the church.

Posted Friday, November 09, 2007 8:48 PM By cjo
Thank God for Bishop Garcia. Would that the LA Archdiocese was equally concerned about it's flock !!

Posted Friday, November 09, 2007 10:46 PM By matt
This is great news. Carmel Mission, would of course, be the ideal place for this. Salinas should be considered as well. It is a bedroom community to San Jose where there is no Latin Mass offered by the Diocese.

Posted Saturday, November 10, 2007 12:06 AM By Georgina
Puttss? Wow, is that ever a perfect name for you. If what you say is true, PUTTSS, then, there would no need for a physical eucharist of any kind. No need for transubstantiation and no need for ordained priests. We would merely offer a prayer of rememberance of that Holy Supper. So why are the hierarchy (lowerarchy, really) caving by bringing back the Latin Mass? Because more and more Catholics are falling away from the Faith everyday. Besides, no Faithful in the pews, equals no CHACHING in the collection baskets. Also, because many Catholics consider it an insult having the Blessed Sacrament stuffed into broom closets and cubby holes. You must be one of those people who feels that we should have, what some call, SUNDAY CELEBRATIONS: ABSENT OF A PRIEST.

Posted Saturday, November 10, 2007 3:39 AM By Martin
Putts sounds like an infiltrator pushing the protestant agenda. Our parishes are hardly recognizable as Roman Catholic anymore.

Posted Saturday, November 10, 2007 7:32 AM By Puttss
What is a Roman Catholic? Does anybody know? Write it down so that we can all read it. Remember, you have a 1,500 character limit.

Posted Saturday, November 10, 2007 9:10 AM By Brenda M
Putts I have to agree with you. You are right on target. Catholics need to obeserve the spirit as well as the letter teachings of the Church. I am a conservative Catholics but really some of these remarks are ill founded and I am embarassed by some of my more self rightous Catholic brethren

Posted Saturday, November 10, 2007 9:31 AM By Eddie
When is the Archdiocese of San Francisco going to get its act together and provide a Tridentine Mass?

Posted Saturday, November 10, 2007 10:49 AM By matt
There will only be a real full Traditional Latin Mass Apostolate when Frs. John Talesfore and Padazinsky are removed. These two priests have been manipulating and micromanaging the Trad Mass to see that it NEVER happens.

Posted Saturday, November 10, 2007 11:18 AM By Ygnacia
"San Jose where there is no Latin Mass ".................................................... Actually now there is a small parish in Santa Clara that does have the Tridentine Mass weekly........................Oratory of the Chapel of Our Mother of Perpetual Help, located at 1298 Homestead Road in Santa Clara, telephone (408) 248-4330..........Our Lady of Perpetual Help has Masses at 8, 9:30, and 11 a.m. and at 5:30 p.m. Confessions are 30 minutes before Mass..................................................... Mission San Juan Bautista is actually the best location for the Monterey Bay Area, as it is central to both Monterey/Salinas and Santa Cruz/Watsonville. And is has not been recovated, the communion rail, old altar, etc. are still there. God bless Bishop Garcia!

Posted Saturday, November 10, 2007 12:58 PM By Keith G
God Bless Bishop Richard Garcia for responding to the wishes of the Holy Father and setting a positive pastoral example for his brother Bishops! Many look forward to attending the TLM at the Mission in San Juan Bautista -- as soon as a priest is identified to offer it there.

Posted Saturday, November 10, 2007 1:05 PM By John L. Sillasen
Brenda M, are you the one who can tell us what the spirit is? And here all the time I thought it was to follow Jesus Christ. Again, as with Puttss so often, the liberals fail to say anything substantive ... they seldom can muster what it takes to get beyond the emotive stage of expression. But then that's what so many of them believe the "spirit" is. It's also their substitute for the Sacrament of Reconciliation. Their cousins, the protestants, have another phrase for it; they call it "the devil made me do it". So, the liberals who see themselves as Catholics say "the spirit made me do it". Jesus explained clearly that what He referred to by the religious rulers of that pre-advent day was their tyrannically warped administration of God's law. The Catholic Church is not merely a replacement for His "Old Testament" people; the Church is a step forward into grace, into communion with God through Jesus Christ. It is Jesus who demands that His followers keep His Commandments ... "If you love me, then keep my commandments". The Holy Spirit gives us the power to do so; but some people malign the Holy Spirit by claiming that He excuses their unrepentent lives of sin. Those who accuse others of the "sin" of living righteously are only trying to justify their spiritual slothe.

Posted Saturday, November 10, 2007 1:56 PM By Central Valley
God bless this great bishop. When Bishop Garcia was installed there was an interesting sight in the procession of attending priests. Two priest in the procession carried thier birettas, these priests where Fraternity of St. Peter priests from St. Stephen First Martyr Church in Sacramento. The current Sacramento bishop and bishop Garcia as the Sacramento auxiliary were very supportive of the traditional communities in the Sacramento diocese. Oddly in neigboring Fresno diocese, The Fraternity has offered a priest to the Fresno diocese but the bishop will not give a straight yes or no answer. We need a man like Bp. Garcia in Fresno and in other places in California. Keep praying.

Posted Saturday, November 10, 2007 2:17 PM By Puttss
So write something substantive. Write the definition of a Roman Catholic in 1,500 characters or less. It's been seven hours or so. Cat got your tongue, or your typing hand?

Posted Saturday, November 10, 2007 2:57 PM By Martin
Well, PUTTSS, what about you???? You never answered Georgina. Do we, or do we not need, Priests and the Eucharist? Are you saying we can do without Transubstantciation? Are you pushing a protestant agenda? Cat Got YOUR Tongue, Or YOUR Typing Hand?????

Posted Saturday, November 10, 2007 3:10 PM By JE Vaughn
Hopefully others will follow Bishop Garcia's example.. Unfortunately I live in the Stockton Diocese and have called most of the churches in the diocese as well as the diocesan office to find out if there are any plans for a Tridentine Mass. NOT A ONE. I thank God and Bishops Weigand and Garcia (when he was in the Sacramento Diocese) for having the vision to have the Tridentine Mass offered in Sacramento several years ago. I have been attending Mass there for the past 8 years. The Sunday Masses are crowded and not with just old people. Many, many young parishioners coming from all over to attend the beautiful Mass. Thank you God for sending us Pope Benedict XVI who I am sure was inspired by the Holy Spirit.

Posted Saturday, November 10, 2007 3:56 PM By Puttss
I never said that we did not need those two mysteries in our lives. I was making the point that we, if we are truly Catholic should consider ourselves to be the true, dynamic presence of God in the world. Jesus in the tabernacle is one form of divine presence, we, priests, prohpets and kings through Baptism are the presence of God on the streets. This part of our faith does not appear as valid to Georgina. So, is a Roman Catholic a person who needs an altar rail, a tabernacle, kneelers, genuflections, an altar facing the wall, candles, incense, Gothic churches and a ritual in a foreign language that can be understood by but a few? I think not. Protestant agenda? Now ask yourself, what would that be? Can you define that in 1,500 characters or less?

Posted Saturday, November 10, 2007 5:52 PM By Brenda
Jihn and others, I happen to be a conservative Catholic. Spiritually you can receive as much out of a vernacular mass as a latin mass. The problem is that so many of you believe that the latin mass is superior. Both type masses can benefit you spiritually. The problem is that that many of you are of the opinion that the Latin mass is the only true form of the mass. There are a lot of narrow minded Catholics in this discussion group. The great advantage of the vernacular mass is that it allows the laity to get involved in the mass. The latin mass supresses any laity involvement.

Posted Saturday, November 10, 2007 6:19 PM By John L. Sillasen
Brenda, you're wrong on both counts. I suspect the problem is careless reading, born out of an agenda to attack something which you do not understand. You are making assumptions that have no foundation to them. I have never said the Eucharist is different between N.O. and TLM. Secondly, the TLM, contrary to your absurd declaration, does not suppress the involvement of the laity. This has been explained a whole lot on this site. If you have questions, then why not simply ask them, intead of setting up strawmen to attack?

Posted Saturday, November 10, 2007 9:41 PM By Polneon
I spent 4 weeks in Jerusalem and Galilee over Easter. Went to Mass every day in a ton of churches. Not a single on in Latin. Spent a week in Rome. Two Papal Masses by the German Josef Ratzinger, in Italian. Is the Pope Catholic?

Posted Sunday, November 11, 2007 10:21 AM By Martin
Putts, You Seem To Know So Little, Yet You Spout So Much. You are one of those people with a true gift. You can talk and talk and talk, and NEVER say a word. You have no idea what a Catholic is, because you keep asking. Now you want to know what at protestant is. MAKE UP YOUR MIND! As for the items you mentioned above? We did pretty well with those things for close to 2000 years.

Posted Sunday, November 11, 2007 1:25 PM By Georgia
Puttss: You asked, "What is a Roman Catholic?". The answer is very simple and does not take 1500 words. The term though generally used is not official terminology. A "Roman Catholic" is one who is loyal to the Bishop of Rome, the Pope, and the Magesterium of the One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church. The terminology originated in the 16th century when the Church of Englandseperated and those who seperated tried to equate the Church of England with the "One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church, and referred to it as the "Roman Catholic Church" while the seperated church was the "Anglican Catholic Church.Now the term is used to distinguish those loyal to the Pope and the Magesterium of the Church from all other branches of Christianity, including yhe Orthordox.

Posted Sunday, November 11, 2007 2:43 PM By Georgia
Puttss: Here we go again: "Protestantism:. Now that is a complicated one. That also started in the 16th century, when Luther, Calvin, Knox, Zwingli and others began protesting various practices within the Catholic Church, finally resulting invarious groups seperating from the Catholic Church: Anglicans, Presbyterians,Lutherans, Calvinists, and Anabaptists. At first they claimed to be Catholic but did not recognize the Pope as the Supreme Head of the Church, Each group claimed it had the Authority to rule on Church Doctrine, thus each group formed seperate churches, Each church not having a supreme head resulted in subdividing when a disagreement occured. This subdividing. resubdividing,and subdividing the resubdivided has resulted in approximately 30,000 Protestant denominations through the world. Mormons, Jehovah's Witness and Christian Scients are generally not considered Protestants, Some Baptists also claim they are not Protestants, but a seperate church founded by John the Baptist.

Posted Sunday, November 11, 2007 2:50 PM By John L. Sillasen
Polneon, did you search for TLM?

Posted Sunday, November 11, 2007 7:03 PM By Amay B.
One definition of catholicism is this: "A church that Puttss do not understand."

Posted Sunday, November 11, 2007 7:18 PM By Mart Nievere
What's the difference between the two rites? I'm not qualified to answer that but I can share my feelings. Novus Ordo is like celebrating the party of an absent birthday celebrant. No question we love the birthday celebrant, but he can't be around. The Tridentine Mass, on the other hand, is like celebrating a party for a birthday celebrant who is very much present. Can you guess which one is a happier event? Okay, Jesus is present in the N.O., but the actions of the priest don't indicate where exactly is He present, and that the Priest seems to be substituting the presence of Jesus. Not much reverence is shown to indicate a real presence.

Posted Sunday, November 11, 2007 8:21 PM By Puttss
Thank you. If you read my email you'll notice that I said 1,500 characters, not words. Other than that I am happy that the definition does not include altars against the wall, communion rails, latin masses, fasting from midnight before communion and a bunch of other stuff. You had me worried there for a day or so. I can therefore go one believing in the contemporary practices of Holy Mother the Church and still be the Catholic that I have been for 6 + decades.

Posted Sunday, November 11, 2007 8:33 PM By John L. Sillasen
Puttss, keep asking the questions; keep posing the difficulties ... I never even ran into any Catholics with a tongue until I was in college, and well into my twenties, and well into wild times, as well, which in themselves were wells too deep for me, so, well, I began to reflect on some things I had seen. There were some Catholics who had shown me stuff that piqued my sense of search for God, kind of putting it beyond the reach of the intellect. But that was a good thing for me, and certainly for others too. A coed gave me a momentary glimpse of the radiance of Blessed Mary Ever Virgin; a fellow student and partier later said something as we walked past a Catholic Church ... the third student with us was Hindu. The one raised Catholic asked if I wanted to go inside and visit the Eucharist. I at the same time both knew and did not know what he was talking about. The Hindu recoiled the same as I in a sort of fear. The Cath. kid was surprised I didn't know what he was talking about. A year later I went to look for God, and found Him among the Jesus Freaks, then the Baptists, then substantially among the Catholics, where he resides most graciously. Ask, seek, knock.

Posted Sunday, November 11, 2007 10:21 PM By Ygnacia
"Spiritually you can receive as much out of a vernacular mass as a latin mass. "...............................Yes, but for many of us it isn't what we get out of the Mass, it is what we want to give. Our hearts yearn for more profound worship, for more reverence to give to our Beloved Lord.

Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 5:54 AM By KaraLynn
I am discouraged by the lashing tongues on this site! I attend a VERY REVERENT Novus Odor Mass. My priest makes it very clear where Jesus is. He takes NO liberties whatsoever. All I see from so-called Traditionalists are nasty words and negative comments! If this is what it means to be "Traditional" then I will stay "Novus Ordo". You have no idea how much of a turn-off your poor attitude is to those who are not "Traditional", especially those of us who are converts!

Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 12:01 PM By John L. Sillasen
KaraLynn, that's because you're assuming the emotive state is all there is. You ought to try to understand what the ideas are ... thinking is difficult for many people, but it exists, God gives us the minds to think with, and thinking reflects our efforts to behave in the image of God, as we were created to do. Throw away thinking, KaraLynn, and you throw out the baby with the bathwater.

Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 2:29 PM By Ski Ven
John S, your post seems like a veiled way of calling someone else stupid. That is not a good way to win converts. Try a little charity, it works a lot better.

Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 3:50 PM By Puttss
Georgia: I did not ask for the definition of Protestantism. I asked Martin who got in the middle of our discussion what his definition of my "pushing a Protestant agenda" is. He has not responded. Amay B. You'd be surprised!

Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 4:50 PM By Sinu-logger
KaraLynn, we speak out of deep love for Christ. How else can you explain our fervor to defend the Tridentine Mass and endure the discrimination of liberal priests? We endured those tongues, why can't you? Lets continue exchanging ideas here. Talking of tongues, there is a group of catholics who claimed to have gift of tongue, and the way they show this gift is to talk senselessly under the guise that they speak foreign language the listener cannot understand. Because of that, they can fake it out since you are not suppose to understand what they are mumbling anyway. And they also dance a lot. Worse of all is their claim that this is how the Holy Spirit manifested during the early days of the church. Well, we adhere to apostolic tradition, right? And none of the early fathers or the saints are reported to have danced or talked senselessly. If it is true that the early catholics have this gift and then danced, our clergy today would have been expert dance instructors. 2,000 years is a lot of time to master dancing.

Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 4:55 PM By Joe
Ski Ven, let Josh Sillasen express himself. We might learn something.

Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 6:48 PM By John L. Sillasen
I wrote a reply, but deleted it. It would be pretty much what Sinu-logger posted. Being a warm person is not my strong suit. So I do what I can do ... I understand the problems with "cold logic", but I believe it is better than dipping into what I see as soothsaying. I was won to the Gosple by someone talking into my face for fortyfive minutes explaining the first fourteen verses of the Gospel of St John. Then when I jumped ship from my worldly network, a Jesus Freak looked point blank into my face and said, "Jesus is God". That group converted me by a mix of hard truth and warm but stern people. It was an organization, each member having their own way of contributing. The Body of Christ (believers) has many members, each one with a unique contribution to the whole. If somebody needs a hug, I am not the one to go to. But there are many who serve greatly in the hug department. There are many things I do not understand ... better, I find, to try than to hide myself under a "bushel basket" ... We are meant to change towards Christ. St Paul specifically tells us that we "see darkly, but 'then' we shall see clearly" (referencing the Beatific Vision). So, KaraLynn, instead of accusing people, it is better to simply ask questions. But, even an accusation can be seen as a question. The novus ordo helped me find the TLM. I know of reverent novus ordo Masses; I don't know of any irreverent TLMs.

Posted Monday, November 12, 2007 10:21 PM By Janet
The Novus Ordo and the Latin Mass are both valid. I think we should go to Mass first to worship God, knowing that He will bless us if our hearts are first intent on pleasing Him. I can't help but believe that God is more pleased by the Latin Mass, because the focus at the Latin Mass in on Him, not so much us. The beautiful reverence, music, and prayers lift our hearts to heaven.

Posted Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:19 AM By Brian C.
I happen to Love the Reverance and Beauty of the Sacrifice that happens in the Tridentine Mass. I was taught that it was sacreligious to touch the Body of Christ. It hurts me to see anyone but a Priest with concicrated hands to touch the Host. The Priest Always washes his hands before the concicration (decons and people don't). I will say also that I feel that there is no one on this earth that can deny the presance of Christ in the Euchrist at the Novus Ordo. Let us remember we are Catholic and believe in the same God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. JMJ

Posted Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:08 AM By Ski Ven
Joe, I was only trying to offer constructive criticism as a means of promoting the self improvement of my brethren. I do not believe that many people will be open to a message if they perceive that they are being insulted. Maybe that was not the intention of John S. and he needed to be aware of how others view his writings. I have no intention of attacking John S. personally. Judging by his writings, he seems to be very intelligent and to be capable of doing a lot better than that. I only wanted to help him to avoid alienating the people that he is trying to reach. If you don't want me to say anything anymore, then I'll just leave him alone.

Posted Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:21 AM By John
IT REALLY NEEDS TO MADE QUITE CLEAR THAT THE MOTU PROPRIO OF POPE BENEDICT 16 "SUMMORUM PONTIFICUM" IS NOT AN "INDULT" UNIVERSAL OR OTHERWISE FOR THE RE-INTRODUCTION OF THE CODIFIED AT TRENT 1700 YEAR OLD CATHOLIC LATIN MASS OFT CALLED TRIDENTINE. IT IS A CORRECTION OF THE ERRORS COMMITTED BY PRIESTS, BISHOPS AND LAITY ALIKE AFTER VAT 2 THAT THE LATIN MASS WAS OUTLAWED. IT NEVER WAS, AND IT REMAINS A MORE AND MORE DEMANDED TREASURY OF THE LATIN RITE OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. LITERALLY MILLIONS, "PREDOMINATELY YOUNG CATHOLICS" WORLDWIDE DEMAND IT, AND BISHOPS NO LONG HAVE THE RIGHT TO REFUSE IT OR HUMILIATE THOSE MILLIONS WHIO WANT IT. BECAUSE OF THE RETURN OF THE CLASSIC LATIN MASS I'M RETURNING TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND I'VE HEARD THAT FROM MORE THAN A FEW PEOPLE,(SOME SITTING IN STERILE PROTESTANT WORSHIP PLACES SAY THEY WILL "COME HOME ALSO). SHALOM/PACEM/PAX

Posted Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:47 AM By Georgina
BRAVO, JOHN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted Tuesday, November 13, 2007 4:41 PM By John L. Sillasen
Ski Ven, not an issue to me, but a point where improvement is needed. I'll work on handling such things better. Ideas without the aspect of communication is futile ... again, the criticism is good. I'll do my best to live up to it.

Posted Wednesday, November 14, 2007 12:25 AM By Estephan S. Codero
To John: Welcome home brother. I'm also praying that the other protestant churches will return to the fold of Rome and reinforce us in the battle for the preservation of Catholic treasures like the TM.

Posted Wednesday, November 14, 2007 8:35 AM By John L. Sillasen
More, yet, on Ski Ven's point about not alienating people: I do this; I've even developed it into an art ... not that it is good, though. Not at all. I've been trying to overcome it for decades. I am succeeding ... you wouldn't know this unless you'd know my track record. It would have been great if at time of my conversion to Christ, I was all "healed" up at once ... but, alas, the effects of sin ... not just mine, but all that that influenced me (see OT about the consequences of a man's sins reaching down ten generations ... one sin messes up a lot of people). My experience is that as I conquer (and I have a track record of the good results as well) the sins and consequences of them, there immediately pops up a whole new challenge. It has become so "dramatic" for me that I've pretty much taken it public so as to demonstrate the process of reconciliation ... it's the effects of sin that can be the toughies to get rid of. Hey, the more my faults and sins are made clear to me, the sooner I can get them out of my life; thus, the sooner I can be a better influence on the lives of others. I'm still fairly roughshod when it comes to being civil, and sometimes kick like a mule ... but it's getting better, thanks to those who care enough to throw it back in my face. I stagger at times, but I never hit the mat; and I'm up and dancing again always. Reconciliation is a way of life.

Posted Wednesday, November 14, 2007 12:00 PM By Ski Ven
John S., I'll pray for you, brother. Please pray for me. Peace.

Posted Wednesday, November 14, 2007 4:18 PM By John L. Sillasen
Deal.

Posted Wednesday, November 14, 2007 5:43 PM By WB
I agree with KaraLynn and I'm sorry to see such harsh comments so frequently. We should keep in mind that most of the people who use bitter words against the Novus Ordo are not well-educated, although they claim to know more than anyone else. I hope KaraLynn and other converts will not allow the uncharitable and ignorant attacks on the Holy Mass to hurt their devotion. The Novus Ordo is Christ's true sacrifice -- holy, pure and eternal -- offered for the salvation of souls. There is enough in one Novus Ordo Mass to make any human being into the greatest saint next to the Blessed Virgin. Those who disparage a valid sacramental rite of Christ (in this case, the Normative Mass) are doing something very dangerous and risky in spiritual terms.

Posted Wednesday, November 14, 2007 7:12 PM By John L. Sillasen
A lot of those who do not like the novus ordo may have never attended a reverent one. Thus, by their experience they see it as insufficient. The first Masses I attended were novus ordo and were reverent. Then I began to run into the irreverent ones. Then I found the TLM, and love it. The novus ordo has the Eucharist, but its liturgical depth leaves something to be desired; which is why I continued to look for something more complete. It is not only the Eucharist that makes the Mass, but the rest of the liturgy ... Christ was not silent other than for a little while during His interrogation by Pilate. He tells us that we are to live by everything that comes forth from the mouth of God ... I find a lot more coming forth in the TLM than in even a reverent novus ordo Mass. Anyone notice that when the novus ordo is talked up, there is always reference to some specific priest? And that when it is the TLM that is talked up, it doesn't seem to matter who the priest is?

Posted Wednesday, November 14, 2007 8:50 PM By Bev
This is in response to Brian C. who commented on deacons and laity who do not wash their hands prior to distributing the Eucharist. For the past several years in my parish, the Eucharistic Ministers cleanse their hands publicly before taking their position near the altar. I believe the cleansing of the hands is done in my most parishes. However, it is sometimes done in the sacristy out of sight of the congregation therefore giving the impression it is not done.

Posted Wednesday, November 14, 2007 10:00 PM By Achilles
What I really like about the Tridentine Mass is the sense of being connected with the rest of the catholics in history. Like having to experience what St. Francis, St. Augustine, St. Bernadette, and St. John Bosco experienced. Tridentine Mass has great credentials. Its not wrong to defend and preserve it.

Posted Wednesday, November 14, 2007 10:26 PM By Lucille
Some people just don't get it. Let me clarify a few things: 1. The defense of Tridentine Mass is not an attack on the N.O. 2. The spread of the TM will not endanger the church, but enrich it. 3. The issues against the N.O. are the liturgical abuses made on it, and traditionalists never said its invalid. 4. Those who defend the abuses on the N.O. have problems with true catholic spirituality. 5. The N.O. is not the one being suppressed. It has enjoyed wide acceptance and support. So why not allow traditionalists express what they like about TM?

Posted Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:19 AM By dino
San Ardo??? Hardly the center of anything. Sort of a suburb of a truck stop. "Saint Ardo" never existed.

Posted Thursday, November 15, 2007 8:02 AM By RR
Novus Ordo-man centered. Latin Mass-God centered. Novus Ordo- created in Vatican II partly by ultra liberal bishops & protestant ministers-pastoral. Never declared dogmatic. Latin Mass- Pius V- Mass of all times-Dogmatic. Which do you believe is the True Faith?

Posted Thursday, November 15, 2007 3:46 PM By Mac
I too would like to be at the same Mass that St. Augustine celebrated. Unfortunately, though, that was not the Tridentine Mass. His Mass, presumably, was more like that of St. Hippolytus, which is the second Eucharistic prayer in the Novus Ordo and of course may be said in Latin.

Posted Thursday, November 15, 2007 5:17 PM By John L. Sillasen
St Justin Martyr explained the Mass being celebrated in Rome in the second century to the Emperor. I read it a few years ago, and it seemed similar to the novus ordo liturgically. I'll likely check it over again, now that I've got a better take on the Mass.

Posted Saturday, December 08, 2007 4:37 AM By NedoIsows
I’d prefer reading in my native language, because my knowledge of your languange is no so well. But it was interesting!

Posted Wednesday, December 19, 2007 2:44 PM By NedoIsows
I’d prefer reading in my native language, because my knowledge of your languange is no so well. But it was interesting! Look for some my links:

Posted Friday, January 18, 2008 5:08 AM By NedoIsows
I’d prefer reading in my native language, because my knowledge of your languange is no so well. But it was interesting! Look for some my links:

Posted Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:18 AM By NedoIsows
I’d prefer reading in my native language, because my knowledge of your languange is no so well. But it was interesting! Look for some my links:

Posted Friday, January 23, 2009 8:10 PM By Matthew
Hello to all, First time visiting your site! *******Attention ******* to all those of Monterey county and visiting Monterey county if you are interested in joining in the Latin Mass, please come to Mission San Juan Baptista at 2pm, Fr. Nicholas Milich celebrates every Sunday at 2pm!!!! Please continue to pray for protection, providence and God's Grace during our challenging days! And try to get to the Latin Mass. Please pray for Fr. Milich's strength and motivation in his great efforts to serve our Lord and all God's children in the Tridentine Mass. If you are new to the Latin Mass, as I am, do your research and prepare yourself for this powerful worship! God Bless, and please remember to pray for our priests, let them know how much you value and appreciate their committment to our Lord, and hardwork! I have also heard there is a Latin Mass offered in the Santa Cruz area? Anyone aware of the location? MJW

Posted Saturday, August 15, 2009 11:10 AM By dacatholicbandorgan
Finally a Bishop auctually establishing 2 Tridentine Masses insted of a Bishop who waits for the requests. Does anyone know if they do the Mass in San Ardo?

Posted Wednesday, September 02, 2009 7:31 PM By L Lynch
OK guys/Gals: Here ot os! The Novus Ordo is a horizontal form opf worhip and the Tridentine Mass is a vertical form of worship! As a former seminarian and I am 69 yrs old, I can attest to the fact that uinder the Tridentine ristual, 70% of CATHOLICS ATTENDED MASS. UNDER THE NOVUS ORDO, 30% ATTEND MASS! Why then do so many recoil at the return of the Tridentine Mass? Because they fear the mystical input and significance of the rite. In fact, Mystical theology has been deserted by the seminaries in the USA! As for the tabernacle being removed from the front and center of churches, this was NEVER intended by the post Vatican II Committes, EXCEPT in large basilicas where tourists would convene and interupt the piius prayer life of those in the pews etc. NEVER intended for ALL churches, as the bishop in AZ who was on the deciding committe who stated this when he was 94 yrs of age! Pope John XXIII said that at the begining of Vatican II, there were idiots attending who wanted their own agendas included in the Council-the Periti-or eliitists as he referred to them as! The stripping away of the mystical and the receiving of Communion in the hands, has reduced the vertical elevating, of the mind and soul to God, with a whymsical belief that we are all priests and celebrants-and reducing the TRUE celebrant to the status of a PRESIDER among equals! BUT, this is not true- we are only all priests in so far as we join OUR offerings and prayers with the Alter Christus who stands at the altar, not in the pews! We would have been all right had the cannon been left in Latin and the consecration not been amended from the gospel of Mathew so we say for all instead of for many BUT stay firm! The NEW interpretation from the Roman Missal for even the Novus Ordo, at Communion time will now say:"For Many" and NOT "For all!" which means we may have had problematic consecrations for many many years!

Posted Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:53 PM By JLS
Well said, L Lynch.

Posted Thursday, September 03, 2009 7:22 AM By MarkF
Isn't the whole point of the directive from Pope Benedict that the choice of which Mass - the Latin or NO Mass - is a choice that is not left the bishops but to the individual priests?

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