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Published: October 2, 2007
What will he tell them?
Archbishop George Niederauer to celebrate Mass at San Francisco parish that sponsored drag queen contest and once was home to weekly bingo games by transvestite “nuns”
Archbishop George Niederauer will preside and give the homily at the 10 a.m. Mass at Most Holy Redeemer parish in San Francisco on Sunday, Oct. 7 -- the same day the parish will have a booth at the homosexual Castro Street Fair. The archbishop’s visit comes just a week after the parish held a drag show to benefit AIDS victims, despite requests that the archdiocese cancel the event.
“Twelve famed drag queens. One pageant. BLOOD!” read an advertisement for the “unveiling of the 2008 Desperate Diva calendar,” held Sept. 29 at Most Holy Redeemer. The parish is well known as being “gay-friendly.” In September 2006, the “Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence,” the “leading-edge order of queer nuns,” whose official slogan is “go forth and sin some more,” held a bingo fundraiser at the parish’s Ellard Hall. Another bingo fundraiser was scheduled for early November of 2006, but on Oct. 31, the archdiocese canceled the event and the groups’ lease on the hall.
But last week’s parish drag show went on as scheduled, apparently with no intervention by the archdiocese. A California Catholic Daily reader contacted the archdiocese on the day before the event urging that it be canceled, but the archdiocese has made, thus far, no statement about it. A request for information to the archdiocese by California Catholic Daily went unanswered as of press time.
Last October, the parish held a special prayer service for the “gay community,” presided over by Jesuit Fr. Donal Godfrey, who has just published Gays and Grays: The Story of the Gay Community at Most Holy Redeemer Catholic Parish. At the service, Godfrey said the parish was the place where the rainbow flag “was first invented… for use at San Francisco’s Gay Pride in 1978.” On Sept. 30, according to the parish bulletin, Fr. Godfrey held a book-signing after the 10 a.m. Mass “to celebrate” the book being published.
The Sept. 23 parish bulletin carried a “Report to the Parish” on its Reconnecting group for those interested in coming back to the Church. According to the report, Reconnecting includes talks “about Sex and Sexuality and the doctrine of Primacy of Conscience and how you properly form your own conscience as an adult.” But, says the report, “in order to be a good Catholic, whatever that is, you do not have to Amen everything that Rome says, but it sure does help if you know how to disagree the right way.”
The advertisement for last Saturday’s unveiling of the “Desperate Diva calendar asked participants to “gather in awe” in Most Holy Redeemer’s Ellard Hall, not only “to witness the unveiling” of the calendar, but “to watch Misses January-December duke it out live on stage over who has the most… er… dates? I forget what they win, but it's something.”
The event’s host was to be Heklina of Trannyshack, “and feathers will fly,” says the advertisement. Trannyshack is a nightclub, held on Tuesday nights at San Francisco’s The Stud Bar. Among its “tran” performers are Suppositori Spelling, Syphilis Diller, Peaches Christ, and Heklina.
Proceeds from the sale of the calendar benefit the AIDS Housing Alliance, formed to help AIDS victims obtain housing.
The Castro Street Fair, to be held on the same day as the archbishop’s visit, was first held in 1974, according to thecastro.net, which notes “the event has grown into a tradition as meaningful as the gay pride parade. It’s another excuse for the tribe to come together and celebrate community pride…”
Most Holy Redeemer’s parish bulletin says that, following the reception and coffee hour for the archbishop, parishioners will then attend the Castro Street Fair, where the parish will have a booth and a "Parking Lot Fundraiser by the Young Adult Group."
Most Holy Redeemer parish is also one of the beneficiaries of the proceeds from the fair, along with the homosexual Metropolitan Community Church, the San Francisco Gay Men’s Chorus, and others, according to the fair’s web site.
Posted Tuesday, October 02, 2007 12:20 AM By jjc
The san fran diocese provides personnel to assist in gay adoption via catholic charities. What ever the diocese does will never be surprising, but expected.
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Posted Tuesday, October 02, 2007 5:07 AM By Grandma Hat
I would personally like to suspend the use of the misleading terms ......."gay-friendly".......and "sex-positive." .....There is nothing "friendly" about promoting deranged desires and disordered behaviors .........which are damaging to the body and death to the soul.... ...I would like, myself, to be truly "gay-friendly" .......inasmuch as I have gay friends whose humanity I dearly love, whose souls I cherish, and for whose salvation I pray daily on my knees .......Likewise the promotion of illicit, disordered or unmarried sex is not "sex-positive" ...... for anyone, whatever their "orientation" .......But to be really "sex-positive" would be to affirm sex as the great gift which God gave us ......to show forth true and faithful and wedded love ....... the love which brings forth new life .......brings into existence the next generation ......of God's beloved human race.
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Posted Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:03 AM By Maria
When I keep reading these articles it gives me great sadness. I can't believe that these churches are so disobiediant to the teachings of the church. Sometimes I feel like it is a nightmare and I am waiting for Jesus to wake me up. God help us.
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Posted Tuesday, October 02, 2007 9:20 AM By Mark
Niederauer used to work closely with Mahony at St. John's Seminary, so I'm not surprised at his "tolerance". There seems to be no end to the corrupting influence Mahony has on everyone involved with him and his heretical brand of pseudo-catholicism. Pray daily for the souls under the "care" of these wolves in shepherds' clothing!
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Posted Tuesday, October 02, 2007 10:02 AM By matt
Interesting. Archbishop "brokeback" Liederhosen will go to this place of iniquity and affirm sodomy, but Catholics still cannot have the Traditional Mass in S.F. He and his liturgy director are trying to stop any celebration fot he Traditional Liturgy either by intimidation or stating that 50 people are neccessary for a piest to celebrate. The latin word "coetus" is defined as more than a pair. The Holy Father did NOT place a minimum. There are many english masses in S.F. today that do not even have 30 people. Maybe we should not celebrate these masses either.
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Posted Tuesday, October 02, 2007 10:21 AM By Eric
Why not worry about your our salvation and what you'll tell the Creator when your time comes?
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Posted Tuesday, October 02, 2007 10:28 AM By Joe
It would seem that "anything goes" in this diocese. They preach a line of open-mindedness and inclusiveness. It sounds wonderful, except that it isn't really true. There are a good number of Catholics in this diocese that have pleaded for years for a bit more reverence and tradition in worship. Yet there is still not one Tridentine mass in the diocese, despite the Motu Propio. This bishop and his last two predecessors never allowed one under the old indult system either. Yet they are willing to look the other way as this parish spins totally out of control. This reads less like "open-mindedness and inclusiveness" and much more like a particular agenda. Apparently, you can do ANYTHING you want in a Catholic church, as long as it isn't Catholic.
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Posted Tuesday, October 02, 2007 11:27 AM By Ed
Does anyone know what became of the traditional Latin Mass that was supposedly "coming soon" to St. Thomas More (and was even listed on their website before mysteriously disappearing)?
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Posted Tuesday, October 02, 2007 11:50 AM By Sheila
When reading about the horrific abuses of Holy Redeemer Church, all I can think of is the Blessed Sacrament there in His church, with satan dancing all around him inciting all kinds of perversin and sin. How He must weep. Father forgive them for they know not what they do.
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Posted Tuesday, October 02, 2007 12:25 PM By Maria C
Sheila I agree with what you are saying. I also have a feeling that they also know what they are doing. They have free will, they are choosing their own will, they don't want to submit to the holy Will of our precious Lord. If they did, they would have to give us their lifestyle and own personal desires. We can keep praying for the conversion of all sinners in hope that they will embrace the graces of our Lord, that are there for those whom ask, seek and knock for them.
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Posted Tuesday, October 02, 2007 12:32 PM By Mark
Niederauer used to work closely with Mahony at St. John's Seminary, so I'm not surprised at his "tolerance". There seems to be no end to the corrupting influence Mahony has on everyone involved with him and his heretical brand of pseudo-catholicism. Pray daily for the souls under the "care" of these wolves in shepherds' clothing!
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Posted Tuesday, October 02, 2007 12:47 PM By The other Mike
They've turned the Holy Redeemer Church into an episode of "Monte Python". Does anyone other than tranvestites and flamers warrent respect and admiration in SF? I guess not....
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Posted Tuesday, October 02, 2007 1:36 PM By Fr. J
Eric,
I am worried about their salvation too. They need to know that God can forgive and heal them. But how can he if they they claim their sin is a gift? In that case they remain mired in sin and they cannot take that sin into heaven.
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Posted Tuesday, October 02, 2007 2:57 PM By Eric
Fr J, however we aren't certain that even the Bible is translated correctly. Serveral scholars disagree over the use of homosexual and differnt words. God is love, and as long as people are doing the work of the Lord. Helping others, doing charity, treating others as they want to be treated does it matter what they wear while doing that work? As far as I'm concerned my side of the street is clean and when I join Enternity I'll know the answers. Man can never know the will of the Infitinte let alone try to tell others where they are wrong. When have stopped sinning address those around who still sin.
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Posted Tuesday, October 02, 2007 3:02 PM By Eric
oh to the Editor the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence are not transvestites. the word transvestite refers to someone who wears the opposite genders clothing for sexual gradification. it should be "Drag nuns"
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Posted Tuesday, October 02, 2007 3:25 PM By Lisa T.
It figures that MHR parish would have links to heretical organizations such asDignity, Voice of the Faithful and here's a new one, Catholic Lesbians Organization. Why won't the bishop do something? I know people who have called the SF Diocese to express their concerns but nothing is ever done.
http://www.mhr.org/resources.html
1. Click on http://www.mhr.org/yag.html
2. click on Album of Previos Events
3. click on TGSF 2007 Cotillion and you will be directed to a transgender Cotillion website.
Could there be a crazier Catholic Church than MHR?
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Posted Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:16 PM By Mary G.
Can anyone stop what these Catholic priests embrace for their own beliefs.....why are they Catholic priests if they do not believe the true faith....I wish Jesus were here to straighten out what is crooked.
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Posted Tuesday, October 02, 2007 9:16 PM By How???
Lisa T., thanks for your important post.Following the links you provided: did you notice that the PRODUCER of the 2007 Transgender Cotillion also serves as a EUCHARISTIC MINISTER at MHR?
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Posted Tuesday, October 02, 2007 9:33 PM By Mark
Niederauer seems like a read dud.
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 3:11 AM By Madelyn Rosenburg
Folks San Francisco is a gonner that city is so far gone its beyond belief. Don't look to the "Archbishop" for guidence he is another phony dressed in a bishop's costume. Just keep praying for the return of our beloved 'Traditional Latin Mass" only then will we have peace!!!!!!!!!! Dominus Vobiscum!!
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 3:26 AM By Mark
Dear Eric -
One of the reasons we are Catholic is that we can believe what our Church tells us about the correct interpretation of the Bible and the laws of moraility. The Church is clear that sex outside of marriage is a serious sin, and so is impurety and vice and unchaste living, thoughts and images. So there is absolutely no question that what this parish is doing is anti-Catholic in the extreme. It is the obligation of every bishop, pastor and indeed every parishioner to represent the Catholic Faith in a way that will lead souls to salvation. Sometimes that means "tough love" in calling a sin a sin. And yes, that means saying no to sin and yes to repentance. And if that means that practicing homosexuals, as well as adulterers and even some married people need to change their sexual habits or live without sex, then that is the mind of the Church and therefore the mind of Christ as it is mediated to us through the voice of the Church.
This is true love, to lead souls to Heaven. Encouraging and promoting sin and vice is doing just the opposite.
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 3:50 AM By John
It is all sickening and saddening at the same time. I swear we must be living in a modern day Sodom and Gomorrah. I feel sorry for Archbishop George Niederauer. It appears that he is failing to live up to the responsibility of his Office as Bishop. We should pray for him and his soul since it is he who is responsible for the countless souls who are being led astray while he is apparently doing nothing to stop the madness in his own Diocese.
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 4:58 AM By semperficatholic
2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of justice than, after they have known it, to turn back from that holy commandment which was delivered to them.
2:22 For, that of the true proverb has happened to them: The dog is returned to his vomit; and: The sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 5:28 AM By frrapper
I guess St. John Chrysostom is correct when he states that the floors of hell are littered with the skulls of bishops.
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 6:12 AM By Augusto
No surprises here. It is sad and a source of scandal for the whole Church. Then we wonder why people are confused when there are Bishops that do not have the guts to stand for what the Church really teaches, and instead choose to follow their own inclinations or likes.
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 6:22 AM By Ski ven
San Fransicko has not been struck by fire and brimstone yet, so my guess is that there are at least ten righteous people there. Maybe if all the righteous people left San Fransicko, the Lord will purge San Fransicko of all the Sodomites. My advice to righteous people is to evacuate San Fransicko and let God clean house.
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 6:23 AM By Canisius
ITs time for anger to turn into words and then words to turn into violence. Like Our Lord who threw the money changers out of the Temple its time for us to throw the sodomites out of his Church by any means necessary.
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 6:34 AM By Manuel Montoya
Why did the Holy Father appoint this man "Archbishop" of San Francisco? Just another weak and feminine bishop allied with the homosexual agenda how sad! Our Lady of Grace please pray for us and the city of San Francisco and send us a "real" bishop who is not afraid to preach and teach the Holy Roman Catholic Faith!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 6:36 AM By Bette
I think instead of the Archbishop addressing the parish, they should ask Father John Corapi to address the situation...then, there will be no confusion about what is "Catholic" and acceptable in the eyes of our God. God help us all!
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 7:04 AM By Anne I. Park
St. Paul teaches that "where sin increased, grace abounded all the more." (Romans 5:20) Trust in God, pray, sacrifice and continue to speak the truth in love.
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 7:12 AM By Francis
It is simply amazing that the world still exists despite all of our sins (homosexuality,fornication, abortion ect..). It is a testament to God's great love and mercy for us. But His cup is now overflowing...and His divine justice will soon be at hand.
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 7:24 AM By Nicole
I emailed the Priest at that Parish the last time a crazy article came out about his parish. He told me to not judge so quickly. I told him if it looks like a duck, talks like a duck, it must be a duck. Hey! These are the fruits of Vatican 2! Lets all sing a Presbyterian hymn, maybe it will all go away! Ridiculous!
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 7:44 AM By Jacques
That's not the 1st time I hear about Bishop Niederauer. His fame crossed the US borders reaching Europe.
We have to pray a lot on his behalf and on the behalf of the Catholic souls he is "dragging" through his suspicious ambiguousness into eternal damnation.
It is strictly impossible to claim being a Catholic while living in full gay behavior. Gay people can be acknowledged, as Catholic faithfuls, only if they don't accept to be overcome by their sinful instincts and really endeavour to struggle and overcome them. Easier to say than to do, OK. But there are a number examples of successes in this way.
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 7:49 AM By Mark
Is Niederauer being honored at the parade? Grand Marshall ?
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 8:04 AM By linda a
Shame on the Catholic diocese and priests of San Francisco! You are profaning and blaspheming the Holy Name of Jesus and His Precious Blood. You are so deep in evil and darkness that you have no conception of holiness. You have given Satan permission to run your churches.
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 8:17 AM By Mare
As for the Bishop, he is NUTS plain and simple:Once in confession told the Priest how can this happen to Priest that say the Mass, he said , who does the devil want first and formost, The Priest, so he(Satan) can destroy the faith, Had far too many volenteers lately, Mare
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 8:36 AM By Doral Hemm
Eric, it's easy to tell right from wrong. Just ask this simple question. Is it beneficial for the human species, or is it destructive? If you take the time to read the Ten Commandments you'll see that every commandment is for the good of mankind; not for entertainment or the gratification of some carnal lust. But I forgot! You and your peers don't believe that The Ten Commandments are a correct translation. By the way, translation from what?
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 8:36 AM By Delaney
I recall a saying that the floor to hell is paved with the skulls of bishops. No reason to wonder why. There's quite an extended passage in Ezekiel about false shepherds who clothe themselves in wool but do take care of God's sheep. Our Lord's sermon on the Good Shepherd fulfills the prophetic words in this passage about the requirement to search for and find the lost sheep. And Eric, I think the fates of Sodom and Gomorrah were quite edifying to those who are open to God's teaching. I don't have any trouble understanding the Church's teaching regarding homosexuality. I think that in essence MHR is it's own "church" and effectively in schism with the Most Holy Roman Catholic Church. If it talks like a duck, etc.
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 9:08 AM By EMC
I read this and I realize that the chastisement can't be far off!
God have mercy on these poor souls who really "can't know what they do". How else do you explain it? The Blessed Virgin warned at Fatima and Garabandal that Cardinals, Bishops, and Priests would lead people down the road to perdition. Punishment for them, I'm afraid, will be severe. Of course, the Evil One is going to go after the clergy first.
Pray, Pray, Pray for their souls and sacrifice.
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 9:27 AM By Terri
Someday the Holy Roman Catholic Church will ask forgiveness for taking so long to see that God made all of us (even LGBT people) in divine image. That all are intended to be holy/whole. It will be just like Galileo ... forgiven after his death for that which was not heresy at all. Loving another in accordance with ones heart and inborn spirit is not heresy. When that apology is finally given perhaps all the Catholic members of Metropolitan Community Churches, and so many other groups, will be able to come home to the Church they loved (and served), for so long.
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 9:38 AM By Elzabeth
Let us pray for AB Niederauer that he may talk to the congregation this Sunday at Most Holy Redeemer Church like a 'dutch uncle' as my Mom use to say....To tell it like it is.....in a charitable way of course!
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 9:48 AM By martillo
I think it just lovely that there is an accomodating church that is love friendly. I have been sorely tempted of taking alcohol to excess and perhaps a mistress or two as well. It is good to know I can go to a parish to have the debauchery accepted and blessed as it were. Gives me an enormous sense of empowerment.
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 9:50 AM By John S.
I thank God I live in the diocese of Savannah.
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 9:58 AM By Elizabeth
EVERYONE -
PLEASE FAX YOUR CONCERNS WITH THE SITUATION AT MOST HOLY REDEEMER PARISH TO THE ARCHBISHOP. THE NUMBER IS: (650) 614-5555
I WAS TOLD BY SOMEONE AT THE ARCHDIOCESE THAT THE AB REALLY NEEDS TO HEAR FROM US ALL.
AND IF YOU WANT TO EMAIL HIM: INFO@SFARCHDIOCESE.ORG
AND IT WILL BE PASSED ALONG TO THE ARCHBISHOP, I WAS TOLD.
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 10:21 AM By Dan Cobb
I'm not one for religion, anyway. If people want to live repressed lives, be judgmental about others, believe in a monstrous "religious" text (hope you're not wearing a garment of two different kinds of fibers, because if you are, you're an abomination to GOD, at least according to your primitive "Bible")... Why are people so ignorant as not to be able to see that their belief in their religion is based on their being brain-washed? If you same people who are so Catholic (or Born-Again, or Jewish or whatever) had been raised in India, you'd be zealous Hindus, or Buddhists. Get over yourselves.
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 10:24 AM By George Kadlec
A quote from from Saint St. John Chrysostom "The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops!" A quote from Chesterton "Only a live fish can swim against the current, the dead go with it." Another Chesterton quote "Take away the supernatural and you are left with the unnatural". One other quote "If the shoe fits, wear it."
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 10:28 AM By Balto Co
Eric: Quit trying to justify sin by being irrational. The sin of homosexuality can be forgiven as well as the perveted trait corrected, if the individual seeks Christ and counseling. Dr. Gibbons a renowned Doctor has successfully treated this disorder for hundreds of persons during his 30 years of practice. The reason homosexuals and lesbians have such a high rate of depression, substance abuse, suicide and partner physical abuse ,is because of trying to be a four-sided triangle. It just doesn't work.
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 10:35 AM By Dale
When, O When,
will Christ drive these Apostates
out of the Catholic Church????
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 10:40 AM By Cleo
Love the sinner. Hate the sin.___Has anyone thought about this?___God chastises those he loves. Sodom & Gemorrah comes to mind.___SF, honey, you're living close to the edge of disaster.___As for the priests and bishops involved in this mess, well, there's an old Irish saying that tells about the walls of Hell being lined with the heads of unrepentant priests.___Aaah. Sex and Silver reign in SF, at Most Holy Redeemer, and evidently at the archdiocese. It is apparent that the city of SF and the Church's powerful leaders understand this fully. I can say this: if there are a paltry 30 attendees at mass -- the bishops have to get their money some place. The wealthy gay population is obviously willing to spread their scummy bucks around. And Lo! look whose hand is in the till.___Tsk! Tsk!___Go get 'em God! Chastise 'em good!
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 10:41 AM By Cleo
Love the sinner. Hate the sin.___Has anyone thought about this?___God chastises those he loves. Sodom & Gemorrah comes to mind.___SF, honey, you're living close to the edge of disaster.___As for the priests and bishops involved in this mess, well, there's an old Irish saying that tells about the walls of Hell being lined with the heads of unrepentant priests.___Aaah. Sex and Silver reign in SF, at Most Holy Redeemer, and evidently at the archdiocese. It is apparent that the city of SF and the Church's powerful leaders understand this fully. I can say this: if there are a paltry 30 attendees at mass -- the bishops have to get their money some place. The wealthy gay population is obviously willing to spread their scummy bucks around. And Lo! look whose hand is in the till.___Tsk! Tsk!___Go get 'em God! Chastise 'em good!
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 10:43 AM By Cleo
Love the sinner. Hate the sin.___Has anyone thought about this?___God chastises those he loves. Sodom & Gemorrah comes to mind.___SF, honey, you're living close to the edge of disaster.___As for the priests and bishops involved in this mess, well, there's an old Irish saying that tells about the walls of Hell being lined with the heads of unrepentant priests.___Aaah. Sex and Silver reign in SF, at Most Holy Redeemer, and evidently at the archdiocese. It is apparent that the city of SF and the Church's powerful leaders understand this fully. I can say this: if there are a paltry 30 attendees at mass -- the bishops have to get their money some place. The wealthy gay population is obviously willing to spread their scummy bucks around. And Lo! look whose hand is in the till.___Tsk! Tsk!___Go get 'em God! Chastise 'em good!
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 10:50 AM By Grisha
"Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 9:38 AM By Elzabeth
"Let us pray for AB Niederauer that he may talk to the congregation this Sunday at Most Holy Redeemer Church like a 'dutch uncle' "
Oh... we tried that. It didn't work.
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 11:17 AM By Lisa T.
I wouldn't even waste time with calling the SF diocese. Email the Vatican and the Papal Nuncio call the Catholic League, maybe Donahue will jump on this one.
The bishop knows all about this parish. I have personally called the bishop's office twice in the last year regarding the offensive photos and pro gay and heretical links on the MHR website. The bishop's secretary says "thank you, we will look into it". Bottom line is the Diocese would rather have angry faithful orthodox Catholics than a bunch of angry Drag Queens, homesexuals, lesbians or any other deviant sexually orientated group that could turn violent or worse OUT some members of the SF clergy.
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:11 PM By matt
Lisa hit the nail on the head exactly. Out some members of the clergy like Canon Lawyers, "Liturgists", Cathedral Rectors, Jesuits and much more....
These are the people holding on to the reigns of power. It is all about power and this vice.
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:15 PM By Lisa T.
Roman Catholic Blog just posted a video of on of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence Revival Bingo. Viewers beware of the sexual content. The Vatican needs to see this.
http://romancatholicblog.typepad.com/roman_catholic_blog/2007/10/the-sisters-of-.html?cid=85006908#comment-85006908
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 1:23 PM By Michael
"however we aren't certain that even the Bible is translated correctly. Serveral scholars disagree over the use of homosexual and differnt words. God is love, and as long as people are doing the work of the Lord."
Come on, Eric! People who (mis)interpret Rom. 1:27, 1 Cor. 6:9, or 1 Tim 1:10 as not referring to homosexual practice are kidding themselves, even the 'several' scholars. One cannot use the argument that homosexual behavior is compatible with Christianity and that the supposed incompatibility has erroneously been propagated due to poor translations of the Bible. What you have been told regarding inaccurate translations is simply incorrect and indicates the lengths some will go to rationalize a certain position or viewpoint in the name of diversity, inclusion, political correctness, and of course, love of God.
The Greek word used in 1 Cor. 6:9 and 1 Tim 1:10 that is translated into English as homosexual is arsenokoitai. The Greek word arsenokoitai is a combination of the words arsen arsen = “male”; and koitus koitus = “sexual copulation” i.e., arsenokoitai literally means “male sexual relations.” The word arsenokoitai is found in classical Greek literature before and after the New Testament period. It appeared in the Revenue Laws of Ptolemy Philadelphus 6, 10, 25; Anthologia Palatina 9, 686, 5; and Catalogus Codicum Astrologorum Graecorum viii, 4, p. 196, 6; 8; and the Sibylene Oracles 2, 73 and Polycarp to the Philippians 5:3. So we know exactly what the term means.
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 2:58 PM By Jack Clough
Anybody know what he told them?
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 2:59 PM By Joe
Dear Bishop Niederauer,
The comments below are by Pope Benedict XVI, ..... given at today's general audience!
I'm sending them on with the prayerful hope you'll find them instructive. May God have mercy on us.
"Pastors have the duty to preserve the faith among the people of God and must remember that those who scandalize even one of those little ones who believe in Christ, will be subjected to a terrible punishment. This criteria, which is still true today is just one of the teachings of St Cyril of Alexandria, V century father of the Church who was the focus of Benedict XVI¡¦s catechesis in today¡¦s general audience.
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 4:00 PM By Mary
somebody need to inform the vatican about this nonsense..if many persons do and protest, they will take care of that nonsense in san francisco..fo to the vatican website and to contact..report it to any email and I am sure they will inform the pope...I've done it before...it is a blasphemy to allow all these gay activities when it sodomy is condemned by scriptures....I have had gay friends but they know they were sinning and admitted it, they did not scorn God by saying it is right....the bishop need to read about sodom and gomora...this is going to call on God's wrath...no wonder we are having all these climate chages and catastrophes...shame on them for allowing that
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 4:51 PM By Fr. J
Eric, there is no problem with the translation of the Bible. Nor is there a problem with the consistent teaching of the Church for 2000 years. The problem lies with those who will try anything to deny the truth that sets them free. Some like to be slaves of sin. Do not listen to the sly wolves who will tell you different then the Church founded by Christ.
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 5:03 PM By Ted
This is very sinful behavior and woe to all of those who take part - God will judge each according to his wisdom and the priests and bishop involved are in for a rude awakening. I only hope and PRAY that they awaken on the right side before they face the Lord Jesus Christ. Everyone pray for them! They are our brothers and sisters who are in darkness.
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 7:54 PM By B
I am sick to DEATH of all the trashy trash. They are TRASH !!
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 8:05 PM By joanie
PRAY FOR S.F.BECAUSE THE WRATH OF GOD IS ABOUT TO COME DOWN ON THIS SINFUL PLACE.
THEY WILL ALL END UP IN HELL.IF THEY DON'T REPENT.
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 8:05 PM By Mary Lou
Bravo!! Michael, Joe, Ted, Linda, Canisius, Ski, Lisa, Matt, George Kadlec, et all !! You hit the nail on the head!! FAX the Vatican. Don't waste time "informing" the SF's Wolves-in-Sheep-Clothing-Chancery. They already KNOW. A perplexing question, however, is: WHY did the Vatican send this weak "Wolf-in-Sheep's-Clothing" to begin with? This land of Sodom and Gomorrah has been public knowledge for over 30 years. Even the rocks know this!
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 8:07 PM By MIR
People of good will. Consecrate S.F. to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, fast on bread and water, and pray the Rosary. Our Blessed Mother will come to our aid and pray for Her beloved sons the priests. As a mother she loves and desires the salvation of all her children. PEACE
MIR
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 8:27 PM By Phil
Note to Eric, who wrote, "Man can never know the will of the Infitinte (sic)": Eric, yes we can certainly know the will of the Infinite, because 1) it is revealed in Sacred Scripture, which condemns homosexual behavior in a way that anyone honestly searching for truth can see; and 2) it is revealed by the Holy Spirit through Sacred Tradition to the Holy Catholic Church, which has also condemned homosexual behavior for the entirety of Her existence. To claim that truth is relative/we can't know the truth, etc, is to be blinded by the post-modern ideology of the current age.
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 8:30 PM By PT
Can anyone explain to me WHY on earth the Holy See puts up with this heresy??
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 8:41 PM By WB
I wrote to the Archbishop, pointing out that this is an offense against Our Lord's teachings on purity and marriage. I mentioned also that the Church and the faithful have already suffered too many scandals. The archbishop needs to offer correction to the parish leadership, and make it clear that they are to refrain from any endorsements or support of same-sex events and promotions. How there could be any debate about a drag queen show is incredible. This is spiritual and moral corruption. The chancery is either blind or corrupt itself. Many are lead down the wrong path as a result. They need our prayers and total committment to God's grace.
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 9:15 PM By C. Frances
I think it is time for all members of parishes in the diocese who disagree with such actions to band together. The best way to make an impact is to stop contributing monetarily to every parish in the diocese, until some leadership is shown. A short note to the diocese advising of your decision to cease all contributions should also be sent.
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Posted Wednesday, October 03, 2007 10:59 PM By David
Obviously....the parish and it seems the diocese are in deep heresy. I am surprised the papal nuncio has not stepped in!
I know too Rome can move and request the Ordinary's resignation as seems appropriate here.
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 2:53 AM By Anita
This whole situation is a direct affront to the teachings of Jesus. He said," love the sinner but not the sin".(paraphrased) This is condoning the sin and acting as if this were Sodom and Gomorrah and not the Roman Catholic church that Jesus founded.
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 3:08 AM By Lbar
These people are sick..and if contrabutions to these dens of sin would cease it would perhaps make the powers to be clean up these kinds of things. STOP GIVING.. the papal nuncio needs to act now.
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 4:39 AM By Raphael
Al disordered activities have a consequence. You eat too much, you get fat. You do drugs, you become an addict and/or die. You have sex with the same gender, you reap disease, death to the soul--and mental instability.
All sin is insanity.....and the things these homosexuals do to promote their lifestyle are disordered and against the natural order
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 5:38 AM By WB
I agree that the people should band together. Start an organization for the laity. With inexpensive video cameras available now, people should videotape things (like the parish table at the Castro Street Fair) and publish the videos to the archbishop and the Vatican offices. Try to have two cameras so you can film any attempts to shut down one of them. These things have been going on for years but there has been almost zero visibility until Calfornia Catholic Daily has exposed it all now on the web with photos. We have to shine light in the darkness and expose the evil deeds in our parishes and chancery offices. Yes, we're all sinners but this is public sin which is being spread through the Church and is subverting the mission of Christ. That's a big difference. Evil will continue to thrive in the darkness of obscurity. This sort of thing has to be stopped immediately. People should be fired from diocesan jobs also.
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 6:04 AM By Chuck
How do you convert people from another planet? How would you do that? God works in ways that might seem odd to us at first.
We all have witnessed that in some way or another in our lifetime. I know a lost soul to the devil is a terrible thing, how else can you get these lost souls attention, or even have a desent shot at conversion? Just my thoughts.
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 6:05 AM By Chuck
How do you convert people from another planet? How would you do that? God works in ways that might seem odd to us at first.
We all have witnessed that in some way or another in our lifetime. I know a lost soul to the devil is a terrible thing, how else can you get these lost souls attention, or even have a desent shot at conversion? Just my thoughts.
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 6:21 AM By Susanne
As a mother of six, I am appalled that the "Youth Group" (aka New Recruits) are also involved even if it is only in the parking lot. How sad for them that they haven't had the priviledge of witnessing true Catholicism. What they are subjected to is a mockery.
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 6:43 AM By peter
What a perverse not only gerneration that we have become but also church that we have become so much so that even the "demons in hell are amased" (as I have read one visionary say a while back) to the immorality the we support and embrace but the good thing is try as they will "they"(who seek to do evil) will not succed
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:04 AM By Luz
Deliverance is the key, their is a demonic component in homosexuality that people are not aware of. it is not a choice, or a disorder, or a desease for that matter.the demon can even enter while in the mother"s womb.this person will go around in life confused doing deviant and imoral acts and damaging their soul the end result an E ticket to hell. we need to pray that these people will recieve the help they all need this also includes lesbians. Shame on holy redeemer parish they are the same parish that had a float in this year's gay pride parade where they had men walking around with their members exposed while other men touched them and took pictures, i saw this on u-tube it was disgraceful.may God forgive them. is it no wonder that the next earthquake will probably be centered in the San Francisco area and will be 9 or more on the scale.God will not be mocked, the day will come when he will say enough is enough.and God help all of us on that day.
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 8:26 AM By James Muir
Close Most Holy Redeemer Parish. It no longer represents the moral and spiritual teaching of the Roman Catholic Faith. The truly faithful can worship elsewhere.
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 8:39 AM By Ski Ven
Mental note: Special characters contained within comments that are posted on this website do not display correctly. That seems to be very common with websites that display user generated content.
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 8:43 AM By Debbie
1 Corinthians 6, Chapter 9: "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the greedy, or drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God."
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:46 AM By Eric
love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you..."
"blessed are those who are prescuted in the name of rightousness"
i realize it's not Paul who said those comments, but a guy named Jesus.
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:54 AM By Eric
Midevil Europe reconginzed same sex unions. the church even blessed them. the word in Corinthians Paul supposedly used to modern readers to mean homosexual, a word not invented until 1890, was a word that 1st Century Hellenistic Jews would have not been accostumed to or known.
The Sin of Sodom is not being hosptible to strangers and Leviticus is about temple prostitutes.
The modern concept of homsexuality is never mentioned in the Bible.
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:15 AM By Eric
Let ye without sin cast the first stone.
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:38 AM By WB
The Third Lateran Council (1179) establishes: “Anyone caught in the practice of the sin against nature, on account of which the wrath of God was unleashed upon the children of disobedience (Eph. 5:6), if he is a cleric, let him be demoted from his state and kept in reclusion in a monastery to do penance; if he is a layman, let him be excommunicated and kept rigorously distant from the communion of the faithful.”
Such was the horror that surrounded the sin against nature that, by the late twelfth century, sodomy was a reserved sin for which absolution was reserved to the Pope and, in some cases, to the Bishop.
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 12:39 PM By Pat Mcgrawl
Find somewhere else to go to Mass...even if you have to find a Maronite or Ukranian Parish.Drag shows have no place in a parish.
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 1:10 PM By Debbie
Eric, Jesus loved everyone, all sinners, just as He does today, but nowhere, past or present, did He EVER condone any sin, including the practice of homosexuality. He did not suggest that we should go along with sin as personal proof of love to the sinner, either. What He did preach was repentance from sin. When He gives an admonishment, as He did regarding homosexuality in 1 Cor. 6:9, it is done out of love and for our spiritual good. Your statement suggesting that "The modern concept of homosexuality is never mentioned in the Bible" is simply a self-serving spiritual blindness. You can keep trying to kill the messenger, but you still can't rationalize your way around trying to kill the message. We all have a choice to sin or not to sin.
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 1:23 PM By Michael
Eric, what part of the Greek word arsenokoitai used in 1 Cor. 6:9 and 1 Tim 1:10 that is translated into English as ‘homosexual’ do you not understand. And so what if the English term ‘homosexual’ is modern. As I stated previously, we know what the Greek term means, and No, it does not merely mean boy or temple prostitution. In fact, Rom 1:24-27 does not use a single term like arsenokoitai, but actually explains quite explicitly… men burning with lust committing shameful acts with other men, lustful desires of their hearts to impurity, dishonorable passions, unnatural relations, shameless acts. Is there a problem understanding what Paul is saying here?
And by the way, when did the Church ever bless same-sex unions? I would certainly like to see the evidence for this.
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 1:29 PM By Michael
No English words existed in the 1st century, so no doubt that no 1st century Hellenistic Jew would have been familiar with the modern English term 'homosexual.' But a 1st century Hellenistic Jew would have certainly known what 'men through the shameful lusts of the hearts commit indecent acts with other men' or 'men, giving up the natural use of women, commit unnatural acts with other men' meant. Why are you attempting to blur what is quite clear?
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 1:41 PM By Michael
"love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you..." "blessed are those who are prescuted in the name of rightousness" i realize it's not Paul who said those comments, but a guy named Jesus."
Amen! But this does not preclude one from admonishing the sinner. This guy named Jesus is also the one who taught that it would be better to have a milstone tied around our neck than for us to cause a little one to stumble, or that after a brother has refused both private and public fraternal correction, we are to treat them as an outsider. He also made such statements as “Repent, or you will all likewise parish,” “You are like white washed tombs full of dead men’s bones,” “How are you to escape the judgment of hell,” “It would be better for this man if he had not been born.” Does this mean that He didn't love His enemies?
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 1:49 PM By Michael
"Let ye without sin cast the first stone."
Eric, you know that this is taken out of context, else how could anyone admonish someone else of their sin? Yes, none of us are perfect; we all sin. But the difference is whether one deliberately continues in sin versus a person who continually strives to be free from sin, and upon stumbling, repents of his wrongdoing and presses on. Huge difference!
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 1:53 PM By Debbie
"Let ye without sin cast the first stone."
Response: "Admonish the sinner."
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 2:28 PM By Maryann Trittschuh
Mahony and his homosexual anti-Christs have elevated debauchery to its most perverse level. Sadly, when the Act of Mercy comes, their hearts are likely to be impervious, just like Pharaoh's, and their eternal destiny sealed in the lowest rungs of hell. It takes a real act of kindness to pray for vermin such as those who use their power to poison millions. The faithful remnant of California are true heroes.
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 2:33 PM By Maryann Trittschuh
Mahony and his homosexual anti-Christs have elevated debauchery to its most perverse level. Sadly, when the Act of Mercy comes, their hearts are likely to be impervious, just like Pharaoh's, and their eternal destiny sealed in the lowest rungs of hell. It takes a real act of kindness to pray for vermin such as those who use their power to poison millions. The faithful remnant of California are true heroes.
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 3:28 PM By Lucy
The church in California is so corrupt. We can only pray. Do they not know what Catholic means?
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 3:37 PM By Eric
The word arsenkokitai was not a common word to in the Hellenistic world of the First Century of the Common Era.
It didn't come into used until the 2nd or 3rd centry. Which means it was added into the Epistle after Paul wrote it.
Or at least that's what I was taught at the University of San Diego in my Biblical Studies class.
but once again. What differnece does it make to you personally? Are you without sin and able to judge others?
That which you have done for the least of my brothers so you have done for me.
not one of you are even addressing the fact that your quotes come from Saul/Paul who never even knew the man you claim as God.
ove your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you..." "blessed are those who are prescuted in the name of rightousness"
God/Jesus hung out with the outcasts. Showing them the love the pious refused to give them.
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 3:39 PM By Mary Theresa
Today is the Feast Day of St. Francis of Assisi. How can this city be named after such a pure, holy man? God, help us. This is the devil's lair. I am beyond sickened by what I've read. This homosexual culture and agenda is a scourge, and this "community" wants nothing short of world domination. We need to focus our prayers and fasting towards the conversion of this city. St. Francis, intervene here, and make it quick, please!
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 3:41 PM By Eric
http://www.livescience.com/history/070827_civil_unions.html
Historical evidence, including legal documents and gravesites, can be interpreted as supporting the prevalence of homosexual relationships hundreds of years ago, said Allan Tulchin of Shippensburg University in Pennsylvania.
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 3:45 PM By Lisa T.
VIDEO OF DRAG QUEENS AT MHR parish in SF Diocese (beware, this is very offensive)
http://romancatholicblog.typepad.com/roman_catholic_blog/2007/10/the-sisters-of-.html
Send this link to every Catholic you know urging them to write or email to the Nuncio and the Vatican
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 4:50 PM By steve hotho
Hmmm - I wonder who appointed George Niederauer to his present position?
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 5:03 PM By Eric
Lisa T, Rival Bingo ended last year. After, several people outside of SF complained to the Archbishop.
What is the point of showing a video of an event that no longer takes place there?
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 5:09 PM By Nancy
Where do I even start? This kind of event, and past events like this, have all been predicted by several reputable Visionaries. We are living in the END TIMES, whether we want to admit it or not. It's heartbreaking to see priests and religious acknowledge this kind of blasphemous slander against our Eternal Father. The gays and their ilk will have to answer for their sins, and they know it. In the meantime, let us pray for their perverted souls.
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 5:30 PM By al
and from the pope...silence
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:14 PM By Michael
“The word arsenkokitai was not a common word to in the Hellenistic world of the First Century of the Common Era.” It doesn’t matter if the term were common or not. If I coined the word “male-coitus”, people would know what I am talking about since that are familiar with the terms ‘male’ and ‘coitus.’ If a compound word is made up of known words, then the context of the term is not that difficult. The Septuagint (the Greek translation of the OT translated around the 2nd century B.C. has Lev 18:21 as “kai meta ARSENOS hou koimethese KOITEN gunaikos bdelugma gar estin” “και μετα αρσενος ου κοιμηθηση κοιτην γυναικος βδελυγμα γαρ εστιν.” Notice the CAPPED words. Also, Revenue Laws of Ptolemy Philadelphus which I referenced earlier did use the term arsenkokitai, and it was written approx 3rd century B.C. Either way, whether the term was in common usage or not doesn’t matter. And again, you have ignored the issue of which Paul speaks in Rom. 1 where he doesn’t use a single term, but rather explains it so that there is no confusion to what he is referring.
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:18 PM By Michael
"God/Jesus hung out with the outcasts. Showing them the love the pious refused to give them." Yet, He did not once affirm or condone anyone in their sin, but rather admonished the to repent; to go and sin no more.
Also, Paul did know the man. He met him on the road to Damascus. If Paul did not know Him as he claimed only removed in time by about a decade or so, how can you claim to know Him any better when you yourself are removed in time by a couple thousand years?
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 8:04 PM By Mary R
This is absolute sacrilege - an abomination. I know what is going on here. The leaders in this parish are thumbing their noses at Catholic teaching, and trying to force the Church to not just accept this depraved, vile behavior, but to embrace it. Never, never, never.
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 8:18 PM By Sad
If someone has the temptation to have sex with members of the same sex, let that person live a celibate life. Seek God for deliverance & healing to be free from this sin.
The Church should encourage all to live a life free from sin. The Church should NEVER be seen as condoning sin!
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 8:39 PM By JPeterman
I hate to see what sort of events will fall upon SanFran in the future. God destroyed Sodom and this city is certainly another Sodom. Remember also that all those drag queens dressed as nuns had their parade in New Orleans right before a massive storm nearly crushed that city. Pray for them. "America must change, or bad things will happen" - - JP2
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 8:44 PM By HMacK
Ask yourselves, all of you - who appointed this apostate to his post? And do you hear any condemnation from Rome? They are all implicated in this disgraceful apostasy by their complicit silence.
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 8:55 PM By Michael
"Are you without sin and able to judge others?" - Eric, judging someone's behavior does not require one to be sinless. It's amazing how those who want to justify a sinful behavior always have recourse to Scripture verses, such as "Judge not lest ye be judged" and " Let the one who is without sin cast the first stone."
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Posted Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:10 PM By Lisa T.
Eric said: Lisa T, Rival Bingo ended last year. After, several people outside of SF complained to the Archbishop. What is the point of showing a video of an event that no longer takes place there?
Eric, my point in linking the video is so Catholics will know the seriousness of the problem at Most Holy Redeemer and in the Diocese of SF. I believe the Drag Queen Pageant that took place on Saturday was probably equal if not worse than the Revival Bingos. Heklina, the Drag Queen pictured above has been photographed in many pornographic poses. Google Heklina if you don't believe me. You may want to leave your safety feature on because it's very hard to get those images out of your head once you've viewed them.
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Posted Friday, October 05, 2007 8:27 AM By Eric
JPeterman the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence do not have a House in New Orleans, so you are misrepresenting the truth. Plus the French Quater and the Gay Part of town survvied the storm unscathed.
Plus last I checked people there are serious problems in the world. Famine, War, Disease
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Posted Friday, October 05, 2007 8:28 AM By Eric
I know Heklina is, plus her "pornographic" poses have never killed anyone say like an illegeal war the last two popes have spoken out against.
why not focus on real world problems?
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Posted Friday, October 05, 2007 8:56 AM By Debbie
Lisa, thank you for putting up the link, but truth be told, I cannot watch it. Just reading about this terrible travesty is enough. This Eric that we've been responding to -- take a look a few posts up and see his comment about Jesus, wherein he refers to our Lord as "that man you claim as God." I think this is quite a telling statement about this individual. He seems to quote Jesus quite frequently, which would seem an odd thing to do if he does not actually recognize Jesus as God. I suspect, like MHR, we are dealing with an individual who is attempting to use Christ's words to discredit His own Church and its true Christian faithful. Thankfully, our good Jesus promised He would never let the gates of hell prevail against the Church -- we have protection against this evil. I think in the case of MHR, we need to invoke the Holy Spirit, our dear Blessed Mother, and St. Michael the Archangel, pray our rosaries and offer up days of fasting for the intention that this parish will cast out its demons. Go before the Blessed Sacrament and offer up holy hours of adoration for this intention, as well. We should never be discouraged about evil -- we are the Church Militant, we have nothing to fear. God will always prevail over evil. From Psalm 37:2 and 10: "Fret not yourself because of the wicked, be not envious of wrongdoers! For they will soon fade like the grass and wither like the green herb. Yet a little while, and the wicked will be no more; though you look well at his place, he will not be there."
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Posted Friday, October 05, 2007 9:06 AM By ELIZABETH
WE ARE CALLED TO JUDGE PEOPLE'S ACTIONS,
THAT IS NOT BE JUDGEMENTAL!!!!!
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Posted Friday, October 05, 2007 9:47 AM By Eric
Debbie, if Jesus is your God why use the words of Paul to base your religion on? Why not be Christ like and love these people instead of calling them names and damning them to hell? Do you know any of them personally? No. Have you ever been to SF? I doubt it.
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Posted Friday, October 05, 2007 9:48 AM By Michael
Does the Holy See know what goes on here? The SF parish needs to be downgraded to a mission, and the clergy who take it upon themselves to lead their parishioners astray need to find themselves looking for a new job. Living in a secular world, especially in a place like San Francisco, a person needs as much spiritual reinforcement as possible, and if the Most Holy Redeemer (or any other church) refuses to be the rock of Christian stability in this mad world and decides to go with the flow, it shouldn’t be allowed to continue as is.
It sounds like SF has people going to these events...but not Catholics. If you don't believe in the Catholic faith, you can't honestly call yourself a Catholic. From the article: “in order to be a good Catholic, whatever that is, you do not have to Amen everything that Rome says, but it sure does help if you know how to disagree the right way.” The pope is the Vicar of Christ (Christ’s representative on Earth for those of you in San Francisco) and the Successor to Peter (the first pope, the one to whom Christ entrusted His Church on Earth). When it comes to decisions about the faith, the Pope is infallible. Therefore, yes, we must “amen everything that Rome says.”
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Posted Friday, October 05, 2007 11:35 AM By Jennifer Miramoto
How sad that our city named after St. Francis of Assisi must endure this madness I only wish that America does not think all of us in S.F. support this garbage. We are under attack here with no help, this Archbishop is shameful and a disgrace why the Holy Father appointed him is beyond belief. Send us Archbishop Burke of St. Louis who is unafraid to be a Roman Catholic Bishop or Bishop Finn of Kansas City Mo. who when he took over his Diocese cleaned house and is bringing back "Tradition" to his Diocese as is Burke!!! Both recently celebrated the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass according to the rite of 1962!!!
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Posted Friday, October 05, 2007 11:47 AM By Jeff Kustonovich
Let's see perverts control San Francisco, they won't let the Marines shoot a video there, won't let the Navy in there for fleet week, they hate the boyscouts, R.O.T.C., mock Christ and the Holy Roman Church and the "Archbishop" says NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get rid of this fake "Niedernauer"
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Posted Friday, October 05, 2007 11:53 AM By Debbie
Eric, the Holy Spirit is the author of His Scriptures, not St. Paul, although St. Paul was used by Him to convey the Word, so quoting from St. Paul is actually quoting from God. I do not call gays names, nor do I damn them to hell. Only sinners who refuse to repent of their mortal sins make their own choice to go to hell. I do not need to know any of them personally, for, as Jesus says, we will know them by their fruits. I regard all as my spiritual brothers and sisters. I will follow Christ's instruction that we should admonish the sinner, as I would rather help a brother or sister come out of spiritual darkness than be "tolerant" of their sins and look the other way. Eric, are you a parishioner of MHR? Do you practice homosexuality? Btw, I am a native of the SF Bay Area, although I no longer live there and am sad to see what has become of it. I had a brother who lived in the Castro District and died of AIDS because he had sex with men -- death one week after his 24th birthday. My sister was a lesbian. I still have gay family members who live lives of despair and spiritual ruin because of the scourage and imprisonment of homosexuality -- it is a true darkness, cortortedly billed as "Love." It is actually love for the flesh. For years, I have heard my relatives were "born that way" -- the biggest falsehood and party line of the gay brain-washing. My brother confessed on his deathbed that he knew all along in his heart that practicing homosexuality was wrong, but he did it anyway. My sister, after years of lesbianism, finally returned to church and renounced the practice of it literally overnight. Thanks be to God for His great mercy and patience with us sinners.
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Posted Friday, October 05, 2007 12:00 PM By Anna Soriano-Cruz
This judgement "thing" makes me laugh the LIBERALS judge everything you can think of on a daily basis, so if a family member was murdered your saying you should not judge this person??? The Libs love to judge everything conservitive but wait until you judge them, then they scream and holler Racism, Homophobia, Anti-Woman, etc. sorry Libs it just does not work anymore the American populace has woken up and standing up!!!! Pray for the return of the ONE TRUE FAITH TO SAN FRANCISCO!!!! See ya Archbishop the Episcopal Church needs you
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Posted Friday, October 05, 2007 12:26 PM By Eric
Debbie, I'm sorry to hear about your brother. We have lost too many people across the world to AIDS. Please remember HIV/AIDS is not a gay disease. Right now in America Straight Black Women are the most at risk for contracting the virus. And SF Bay area is a vast area my dear. So I take your growing up there with a grain of salt.
Once again I'll state that there are people dying every day across the world from War, which the Pope has said is unjust, diesase, famine, poverty and we are worrying about what people do in the privacy of their homes. There are major world problems out there.
SPI Bingo never occured in the Church in the presence of scarament but a Parish Hall.
I feel sorry that you don't understand that things that you don't experience. My great Aunt a Benedictine Sister of Perpetual Adoration knows that people are born gay, and she's been semiclositered for 55 years. God is Love Love is God. I can't speak on behalf of your sister, but if she is happy than props to her. It saddens me that your brother had to die in shame of who he was.
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Posted Friday, October 05, 2007 12:31 PM By Eric
Anna get out of the spin cycle.
if some killed a family member i'd probably want that person to die, however i realize that would never bring said family member back. so i'd hope for life in prison and living with the gulit of taking someone elses life.
you do realize the death pentaly is wrong? and JP2 and BXVI have spoken out against it?
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Posted Friday, October 05, 2007 1:53 PM By Debbie
Eric, I was born in Castro Valley and raised in Newark, a suburb of San Francisco -- you don't need to take anything I say with a grain of salt. My brother did not die in shame, either. God was with him and gave him many graces to bear his crosses. He had the help of angels, particularly his guardian angel, who, by grace of God, were able to be visibly present to my brother the last 9 months of his life, a group of them lead by the guardian. My brother had attended church maybe twice in his life and virtually knew nothing of God prior to his illness, other than he believed God existed. Jesus never for a moment abandoned him, however, and with His Spirit and the assistance of the angels, my brother was able to make a deathbed "confession" to a minister as best he could, then spoke with us, his family. It was quite an inspiration to hear all that time that he'd been "born that way," only to hear days before he died that he knew all along it was wrong. I am quite aware that AIDS is a disease of all backgrounds and stations in life. People are not "born gay." This is the great deception of homosexuality. They are no more born that way than a drug addict or an alcoholic are born to use drugs or alcohol. People are born to be loved by God in holy union with him. Like any other sin, homosexuality can be overcome by turning to Jesus and leading a holy life in Him. Pray for the grace of holy love and holy chastity. You don't need to lead the beleaguered life you think you do. Find peace in Jesus. Seek him sincerely, turn away from the depravity of homosexuality and you will see yourself out of chains.
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Posted Friday, October 05, 2007 2:17 PM By Eric
Debbie, dear it's might presumptous of your to assume that I'm gay because I'm defending people who are being prescuted in the name of rightousness. If I'm not mistake a couple thousand years ago some one called them blessed. Do you know who that was?
You appear to speak on like you have authority on the hearts and minds and lives of gay men and women and yet you know very little. The Creator is responsible for everything whether we think it's right or not.
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Posted Friday, October 05, 2007 2:39 PM By Michael
Eric, If you do not believe that Jesus is God, then what difference does it make which religious teacher we quote? Apparently, you are imagining that Jesus and Paul are at odds. It’s also interesting to note that anyone could use your arguments to justify just about anything. If a person was interested in sexual pursuits of 10 yr-old blonde girls, no one could possibly judge his actions as immoral since he could always have recourse to your response – namely, don’t judge me; you too are a sinner. Or what about incestuous relationships? Or what about bestiality? Can we not judge these actions as immoral? For the moment that we confront a person about this sin, he could merely echo your response: Whoever is without sin, let him cast the first stone. Jesus hung out with these folks and loved them (which apparently to you means that we are not to ask them to repent.)
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Posted Friday, October 05, 2007 2:49 PM By Michael
Eric, you are exposing your ignorance. While war can be unjust, the pope has never said any particular war was unjust. Please provide your quote to support your claim. The death penalty is not ALWAYS wrong. If it were, then the Church would not be able to make such statements as “the state has legitimate recourse to the death penalty under limited circumstances for grave crimes” or “While the Church exhorts civil authorities to seek peace, not war, and to exercise discretion and mercy in imposing punishment on criminals, it may still be permissible to take up arms to repel an aggressor or to have recourse to capital punishment. There may be a legitimate diversity of opinion even among Catholics about waging war and applying the death penalty, but not however with regard to abortion and euthanasia.”
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Posted Friday, October 05, 2007 3:16 PM By JM
Anyone within driving distance of MHR parish could meet at Niederauer's mass on Sunday, October 7 and take notes and videos of proceedings. We must draw attention to the reality of evil in high places by exposing the truth....... for all to see.
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Posted Friday, October 05, 2007 4:16 PM By Eric
I know Heklina is, plus her "pornographic" poses have never killed anyone say like an illegeal war the last two popes have spoken out against.
why not focus on real world problems?
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Posted Friday, October 05, 2007 6:20 PM By Michael
"Please remember HIV/AIDS is not a gay disease" Yes, AIDS is not EXCLUSIVELY a ‘gay’ disease, but it certainly is the highest risk group. So again, you are mistaken. These are just cases for 2005 from the Center for Disease Control. Male-to-male sexual contact 18,296; Injection Drug Use 3441 male, 1851 female; Male-to-male sexual contact and injection drug use 1324; High-risk heterosexual contact 4255 male, 7734 female; Other 139 male, 124 female. Go to www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/basic.htm#hivaidsexposure
The cumulative estimated number of diagnoses of AIDS through 2005 in the United States and dependent areas was 984,155. Of these, 952,629 were in the 50 states and District of Columbia and 30,386 were in the dependent areas. In the 50 states and District of Columbia, adult and adolescent AIDS cases totaled 943,525 with 761,723 cases in males and 181,802 cases in females, and 9,101 cases estimated in children under age 13. Of the 943,525 cases, 452,111 are males who contracted through male-to-male sexual contact. That's a large group. An additional 65,881 were male who contracted AIDS either through male-to-male sexual contact or injection drug use.
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Posted Friday, October 05, 2007 6:25 PM By Michael
"If I'm not mistake a couple thousand years ago some one called them blessed. Do you know who that was?" You are quite mistaken. No Bible translation states 'Blessed are the homosexuals, for theirs is the kingdom of God.' But, for the sake of argument, if they are blessed, does this 'blessed group' also include those who practice incest, pederasty, pedophilia, orgies, and bestiality. Would hate to think that you don't practice diversity and inclusion.
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Posted Friday, October 05, 2007 6:31 PM By Michael
"I know [who] Heklina is, plus her "pornographic" poses have never killed anyone say like an illegeal war the last two popes have spoken out against. why not focus on real world problems?" You are quite fond of 'using' the Popes, but you criticize those who quote St. Paul. Why? And on the contrary, pornography has killed many more than any war, at least spiritually. Remember, Jesus (not Paul) said that if one looks upon another with lust, he commits adultery in his heart.
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Posted Friday, October 05, 2007 7:13 PM By Eric
Michael why do all conversations about homosexuality end up beinga bout pediphila and beastialty? They are having nothing to do with each other. Asking people to reprent is differnet than the hate the spewed forth calling people tools of Satan or the like on this board. Love isn't in name calling and lodgeing false accusation on people.
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Posted Friday, October 05, 2007 9:34 PM By Michael
I have never expressed hate toward you or toward those poor souls at MHR. In fact, it’s out of genuine Christian charity that my heart anguishes at their depraved lifestyle. And I have never claimed that pedophilia or bestiality corresponded to homosexual acts either. I simply bring them up as a common point to work from since I assume that you believe these to be immoral. And if you do indeed agree that these acts are immoral, then wouldn’t you think it not only acceptable, but imperative, that you confront those who advocate such acts as morally licit, and admonish them to repent? And all I’m saying, by analogy, is that these people could use your same argument to justify their actions – namely, that we cannot judge their actions, because we too are sinners. And this is not true. Also, there’s a difference between calling on someone to repent of evil actions presuming that they are caught up in it through poor formation or addiction or are somehow ignorant of the truth and admonishing someone who should know better if they claim to be Christian. Remember, even Jesus stated the if a brother refuses private and then subsequent public correction, then we are to treat him as an outsider. The point being that if a person obstinately persists in grave sin after having been confronted and offered correction, then sometimes the message needs to come back a little harsher and the discipline a little firmer.
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Posted Saturday, October 06, 2007 7:57 AM By Lisa T.
QUOTE: Jennifer Miramoto
"How sad that our city named after St. Francis of Assisi must endure this madness I only wish that America does not think all of us in S.F. support this garbage. "
Dear Jennifer,
You are right about Americans lumping all San Franciscans in the same group as not only tolerating these activities but approving of them. My friend sent me this link the other day from Americans for Truth about Homosexuality (please use extreme caution when opening link the photos have been sensored but are still offensive). Here is a quote from the site: "Indeed, we watched as police standing on the street or just outside the blocked-off perimeter of Folsom did nothing as men walked by baring their genitals (only the men did this; some women bared their breasts). One extended orgiastic scene we witnessed involving several men (see photo below) took place on crowded Folsom Street as hundreds if not thousands of people walked by — yet police took no action."
There is one photo of a young boy viewing the nudity and sexual acts. There has to be some law protecting minors against this stuff. People were masturbating each other in public how is this stuff allowed?
My friend made a comment that nobody care that this garbage goes on in San Francisco, I said no I can't believe that. When viewing these disgusting photos I thought about senior citizens of families with children who have been there in Folsom a long time but for economic reasons can't move. The poor people who don't condone this stuff probably feel like they can't leave the house during these Sodom and Gomorrah days. Those poor people should sue the city of SF for this disgusting and vulgar stuff they are forced to endure every year.
http://americansfortruth.com/news/tolerance-gone-wild-in-san-francisco-as-cops-stand-by-amidst-folsom-street-fairs-public-perversions-and-widespread-nudity.html
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Posted Sunday, October 07, 2007 1:54 PM By Art C
Dear brothers and sisters. It seems to me that we have lost sight of what is really important: We all are God's children. It is written in Acts 10: "Peter went inside and found a large gathering of people. He said to them: 'You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with a Gentile or visit him. But God has shown me that I should not call any man impure or unclean'." Whose words from all of you are above the words of Peter?
With warm regards from beautiful San Francisco
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Posted Sunday, October 07, 2007 5:46 PM By Lisa T.
Dear Art,
You are right, we are all God's children, we are his sheep. Many of God's sheep are lost right now to the Homosexual lifestyle and Bishops like Niederauer of SF and priests like Fr. Meriwether of MHR are not being good sheperds to their flock. They are doing nothing to bring them back into to God's fold.
Allowing drag queen pageants and sending off parishioners to march in the Gay Pride parade to represent the Catholic Church is not the way to bring back lost lambs, it only confuses the sheep more.
I will be praying for God's lost sheep in SF and their sheperds who have lost their way too.
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Posted Sunday, October 07, 2007 6:20 PM By Lisa T.
Photo of Niederauer at MHR today
http://www.mhr.org/
http://www.mhr.org/picts/MHRPhotos/PastoralVisit2007/P1000900.jpg
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Posted Monday, October 08, 2007 12:12 AM By Fr Pedros Sanikos
MY GOD MY GOD MY GOD LORD HAVE MERCY
Nothing is suprising we need Revival we need the gospel we need Jesus let us come back to the truth Holy Spirit Fall Upon Us Raise up your last days church a call to all the faithfull to come back to Jesus a call to all the laity rise up and do the work of the lord and sack all biships priest and heretics spread the gospel message Rev ch 14 fear God for the hour of His coming is at hand Repent and come back to the lord we are the people we are the church the minority must not rule the church Gods act of reversing this Apostacy is the Charismatic Renewal God is Empowing the end time Church to deal with this Crap we need not to wory Gods Remnant people shall pravail there are only a few priest left that are preaching Gods Full Gospel Go to these bible beliving God fearing holy Spirit filled churches give no support to parishers preaching Maryology Spiritism or New Age or libralism they deny God and Give Glory to the Devil from such thing turn away Amen
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Posted Monday, October 08, 2007 3:17 AM By Art C
Dear sisters and brothers, specially my dear sister Lisa T. There is not a "Homosexual lifestyle" in as much as there is not a "heterosexual lifestyle" for we live as to what God has comissioned us to live. However, my dear Lisa T, do you feel that God compelled you to live a drag queen lifestyle? I bet not. Nevertheless, some sisters and brothers feel they are compelled to do that. But my point is centered here: It is written in Matthew 18:3 "And he said: 'I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.'" Dear brothers and sisters, are you like little children? Are you ready to enter the kindom of Heaven? Look into your hearts and answer to yourselves before you feel the need to utter a single word. Indeed, I hope you all are like little children and be able to enter the Kindom of Heaven for I am praying you all do.
With warm regards from beautiful San Francisco.
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Posted Monday, October 08, 2007 5:46 AM By Michael
Art C: "It is written in Acts 10: "Peter went inside and found a large gathering of people. He said to them: 'You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with a Gentile or visit him. But God has shown me that I should not call any man impure or unclean'." " The epitome of scriptural misinterpretation. Peter is speaking of ritual and ceremonial uncleanness, not moral uncleanness. In fact, while you're reading Acts 10, read ALL of it. You will see WHY Cornelius was acceptable to God... because he feared God and acted uprightly; his prayers and almsgiving were acceptable and pleasing to God.
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Posted Monday, October 08, 2007 7:48 AM By Hugh
The hate displayed in these messages against the Vat II Church, AB Niederauer, MHR, gay people and San Francisco is pathological. I attended the AB's Mass. It was celebrated with dignity and beauty. His exhortation on the Holy Eucharist was traditional and uplifting. The music was excellent. MHR is one of the most active and truely Catholic parishes in the City. Why are we so successful? Because we reach out to everyone. At MHR, all are welcome. Gay an straight, families and singles. Elderly and the young. We feed the poor. We minister to the sick. We preach the good news of the Christ.
Perhaps this is why Archbishops Quinn, Levada and Niederaur have supported us.
Hugh - VOTF at MHR
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Posted Monday, October 08, 2007 9:22 AM By Lisa T.
Dear Hugh,
Judging by these photographs http://www.mhr.org/gallery17.htm
the only success you've had is with the men, more than likely gay men. MHR parish is a place they can feel affirmed in their lifestyle. From viewing these photos and others on the parish website children makeup 1 to 2 percent of the congregation while women make up probably about 5 percent. The parish school was closed years ago and the building is now leased to the “pro-choice” Society of Friends (Quakers) as a private elementary school. If the church is so welcoming to families why did they have to close the school?http://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/a02xAlert_MFR_Engel.html.
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Posted Monday, October 08, 2007 9:26 AM By ELIZABETH
TO HUGH...
THE REASON AB QUINN, LEVADA AND NIEDERUAER SUPPORT MOST HOLY REDEEMER IS BECAUSE THEY ARE LIBERAL!!!!!!
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE ARCHBISOP BURKE AS OUR AB, THEN WE WOULD SEE A TRUE SHEPHERD AND A REAL HOUSE CLEANING IN A VERY CHARITABLE WAY.
AS A 4TH GENERATION SAN FRANCISCAN, THE ARCHDICOESE OF SAN FRANCISCO HAS NEEDED A GOOD 'HOUSE CLEANING' FOR ALONG TIME.
MY FAMILY HELP BUILD SAN FRANCISCO IN MANY WAYS, AND I AM SURE THEY WOULD BE HORRIFIED AT WHAT SOME PEOPLE HAVE COME AND DONE TO THE BEAUTIFUL CITY OF ST. FFRANCIS.
LOVE THE SINNER, HATE THE SIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted Monday, October 08, 2007 9:30 AM By Lisa T.
Hugh,
One more question did Bishop Niederauer or the pastor ever mention anything about it being right to life Sunday? Was there any pro-life literature or parish organized life chains? On the parish website there are plenty of links to heretical and pro-gay websites but no links to pro-life organizations. I suspect MHR has plenty of tolerance and compassion for the GLBT community but not much if any for the unborn babies.
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Posted Monday, October 08, 2007 1:52 PM By Lisa T.
Dear Elizabeth,
Are the majority of San Franciscans so liberal as to or have people become desensitized to this stuff? I don't know if you saw my post with the link to the Americans for Truth about homosexuality here it is again http://americansfortruth.com/news/tolerance-gone-wild-in-san-francisco-as-cops-stand-by-amidst-folsom-street-fairs-public-perversions-and-widespread-nudity.html but how do the people who live in these neiborhoods (Castro & Folsom) deal with these events, do they take vacations? And how is it that the police don't do anything about the homosexuals having sex in the street? Is there nothing that can be done?
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Posted Monday, October 08, 2007 2:37 PM By Dorothy C
Let's bring this to the Doctrine of Faith's attention. Their email is cdf@cfaith.va We need action from the top to get our bishops in line and we need to hold our bishops accountable too by letting them know that their tepidity is scandalous. If we do not do that... all this chatter here is nothing but rhetoric. This is the beauty of our Catholic faith, we have the teaching authority of the Church, the Magisterium, in written form, that we can rely upon and if any go against it, we can set them straight by introducing them to it. Let's petition Vatican if our local ordinaries turn a deaf ear to us. Vatican II has enpowered us to do it... let's do it. I have already sent the link to the Doctrine of Faith. It is time for us Laity to say, enough is enough to the liberals.
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Posted Monday, October 08, 2007 4:43 PM By Lisa T.
Dear Dorothy,
This stuff at MHR and in the diocese was going on when Cardinal Levada was the bishop of SF. Levada and Niederauer are buddies, they went to school together. When compliants are sent to a congregation in Rome regarding renegade or negligent bishops they look over the letters of evidence and usually send it back to the same bishop that who is being complained about.
Letters, emails and phone calls were made to Rome last year when the faithful first learned of the Revival Bingo through Catholic blogs and websites like Cal Catholic Daily but it seems everything is the just the same, nothing has changed. I know someone who called the Catholic League last week to get some action done but the Catholic League refused to get involved. The Catholic League will only go on the attack and boycott if the church is being attacked from the outside. The Catholic League has bylaws that forbid it from getting involved in internal church matters even if bishops and cardinals aren't doing their jobs. Don't get me wrong I do believe that we should go through the chain of command but how many chances do these bad bishops get and how many times do we have to put up with Rome looking the other way. We need a Catholic version of AFA (American Family Association). While we are waiting for bishops to do their job and Rome to do theirs countless souls are being lost and others are being scandalized.
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Posted Monday, October 08, 2007 5:13 PM By Hugh
Dear Lisa, You wrote:
"... Judging by these photographs http://www.mhr.org/gallery17.htm the only success you've had is with the men, more than likely gay men. MHR parish is a place they can feel affirmed in their lifestyle. From viewing these photos and others on the parish website children makeup 1 to 2 percent of the congregation while women make up probably about 5 percent."
Your numbers are way off. I will admit that we have less children then most parishes and in fact we do have less women in attendance then most parishes, but remember that most of your parishes have difficulty getting men to attend. If our statistics are different from the average parish in the "burbs" what of it? Like most Catholic parishes we draw from the Catholics in our neighborhood.
The school was closed before MHR became "gay friendly" If our school was the only Catholic Elementary School to close in recent years you might have a point. Unfortunately, Catholic schools have closed all over the country so that point falls flat.
We are an inclusive parish, we are gay friendly, straight friendly, child friendly, homeless friendly, and elder friendly.
What has your parish been doing? Does your pastor run everything? How many Catholics in your neighborhood are attending Mass? Again, MHR is almost certainly one of the most active parishes in the city.
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Posted Monday, October 08, 2007 8:55 PM By Michael
“At MHR, all are welcome. Gay an[d] straight, families and singles. Elderly and the young. We feed the poor. We minister to the sick. We preach the good news of the Christ. Perhaps this is why Archbishops Quinn, Levada and Niederaur have supported us. Hugh - VOTF at MHR.”
Hugh, If the good news is really being preached, then admonishment to repentance would be part of what is being preached, correct? REPENT and believe in the gospel. And included under the “All are welcome” banner is the drug addict, the prostitute, the child molester, the rapist, etc, correct? You had better not say that all of these are welcome, and are welcome not to change and be converted… just stay as they are. All are welcome? And how are you measuring success? Hopefully it is not measured by the number of gay men who are attracted to your parish and continue to live the gay lifestyle, which is the measure you appear to be using. In fact, that would clearly demonstrate a dismal failure.
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Posted Monday, October 08, 2007 9:03 PM By Michael
It is written in Matthew 18:3 "And he said: 'I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.'" Art C, it is also written that unless you repent, you will likewise perish. God has not commissioned anyone to live a homosexual lifestyle anymore than God has commissioned one to live a lifestyle of bestiality or incest or fornication or any other lust of the flesh. That is merely an obtuse way of attempting to justify a lifestyle so as not to call it sinful.
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Posted Tuesday, October 09, 2007 9:32 PM By Hugh
I have had the opportunity to state my position. We will have to agree to disagree. It is my opinion that MHR does a very good of preaching the good news and carrying out works of Mercy. All are called to repent. MHR is one of your favorite parishes because Calcatholic Daily spends so much time reporting on (what you think) are our activities.
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Posted Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:20 AM By Grisha
Hugh: I have a cousin who after serving in Vietnam, being engaged and contemplating a vocation as a Brother, came to terms with being gay and came out. He left the Church over the homophobia of the hierarchy and became an Episcopalian. If he'd had a parish like MHR available to him, I think he would have stayed a Catholic. You're doing good work. Keep loving God and loving each other!
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Posted Wednesday, October 10, 2007 9:30 PM By Michael
"If he'd had a parish like MHR available to him, I think he would have stayed a Catholic." What's the point of remaining Catholic if it's in name only? In fact, MHR more resembles the Episcopal Church than it does the Catholic Church. What an amazingly sorry excuse for a parish; Meriwether, a sorry excuse for a pastor; and now Niederauer, apparently a sorry excuse for an archbishop.
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Posted Thursday, October 11, 2007 6:02 PM By Michael
"All are called to repent." Exactly my point, Hugh. Except it's hard to notice any admonition to repent when the parish coddles and affirms the very group whose motto is "Go and sin some more," which is precisely opposite of repentance.
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Posted Saturday, April 19, 2008 9:16 AM By sham7
The Church does not have to permit openly gay activists who are not sincere about following Jesus way and His church. There is a big difference between the sincere seeker and ones who want to destroy and subvert. I have a gay son and he is one who has come back to the Church seeking sincerely without bringing all the pop gay activist stuff. I pray for all homosexuals and for us all to help them along the way in their journey. I feel sad for them, but know that they too can be in communion with JESUS and His way which is the name of the game in this life. Amen
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Posted Tuesday, August 12, 2008 7:52 PM By Br. Benedict Luke
How heartbreaking to see some of God's children still judging others of his children when He gave us His only Son the teach us to love one another as we love ourselves, and to treat each other the same way, too. "Judge not, lest ye be judged" and "Judgement is Mine", sayeth the Lord.
Hatred is the worst and most prevalent sickness in the Catholic church today, and if it continues, it's on those heads who live in hatred where they spend eternity.
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