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Published: August 5, 2007
“Subsists” is “Is” with a twist
Vatican II did not change how the Church defines herself
Notes from a Cultural Madhouse
By Christopher Zehnder
One of the difficulties of being Catholic is that our religion is not simple. This is not to say that it is impossibly difficult; for, as we all know, the Faith can be explained to children, and one doesn’t have to be an Augustin or a Thomas Aquinas to be Catholic. Yet, every proposition of the Faith hides mysteries that reduce even the greatest theologians to silent awe. Human language, to express these mysteries, often seems wholly inadequate, and for good reason. It is.
To explain the mysteries of the Faith, theologians have found it necessary to use the language of philosophy – which doesn’t necessarily make things easy for the rest of us. For instance, when we use the term “consubstantial,” or “the same substance with,” to express the relationship of God the Son to the Father, we are using the philosophical terms. Normally, when people use the word substance, they mean the equivalent of “stuff,” the material from which something is made. But, in classical philosophy, especially as expressed through Aristotle, substance has a different meaning.
Understanding the meaning of the word substance can help in understanding one of the latest words which the Church has used, seemingly, to gum up the gears of our minds. This is the word subsists, used by the Second Vatican Council to express the relationship of the Church of Christ to the Catholic Church. Some have been troubled by the use of this word in the Council’s Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, Lumen Gentium: “This Church [of Christ], constituted and organized as a society in the present world, subsists in the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter and by the bishops in communion with him.” [Emphasis added.] After all, even as late as Pope Pius XII’s encyclical, Mystici Corporis Christi, hadn’t the Church always said that the Church of Christ is the Catholic Church and the Catholic Church is the Church of Christ? On both sides of the Catholic theological spectrum since the Council, people have seen subsists as signifying a departure from this traditional doctrine of the Church.
But it does not signify a change in doctrine, for subsists really means is, but with a twist. To understand this better, we have to look at the word, “substance” and see what it means in classical philosophy. For as we shall see, that which subsists is a substance, and a substance is that which subsists.
What is a substance? It is sub stans, in Latin; a “thing standing under” or “that which underlies.” What does it stand under? As classically expressed, a substance is that which stands under or underlies many accidents.
But, what are accidents?
Basically, accidents are things, such as color and shape, which characterize a thing but don’t make it fundamentally what it is. For instance, a sculptor could mold a hunk of clay into any number of shapes – a cube or a sphere or the shape of a man’s head and face. These shapes are accidents; that is, while they might characterize the clay for a time, they can be destroyed and replaced by another shape without the clay ceasing to be clay. We see the same thing in other contexts. If I spend too much time in the sun, my skin goes from white to flaming red; yet, even though I experience a change in myself (not only one of color but of comfort to pain), I am fairly certain that I have not changed in my fundamental being. I have undergone a change from the accident of whiteness to the accident of redness.
Accidents do characterize or describe us – for instance, some people are truly brown in skin color while others are white – yet, accidents do not define us essentially. Underlying the accident of shape is the clay. Underlying our skin or hair color, our size, girth, and other similar characteristics is the thing which essentially makes us what we are. Our humanity.
Human nature, for us humans, is our essence, our substance. It is that which underlies all our other characteristics. Someone may be white, a European, red-headed, pug nosed, intelligent, musical, thin, or any number of other things. But these, while they describe one’s individuality, do not make him fundamentally what he, or she, is – a human being.
All members of the human family, regardless of sex, race, or any other characteristic, share a common essence – human nature. But this nature, though common to all individuals called human, does not exist as a substance apart from any of them. It is not some immaterial idea floating about a philosophical universe. It is not something common to all of us because somehow we all are like it. It is common to all of us because each of us possesses it. It exists only in concrete human beings and never apart from them. Every human person is a human substance.
This brings us to the word subsists. We can say that human nature exists in each man or woman. But we can also say that whiteness or brownness and other accidental qualities exist in each person as well. The difference is that human nature exists in human persons as that which underlies other characteristics. In other words, we can say that human nature doesn’t just exist in human persons but exists in them as the thing which “exists under” all our accidents. Another way of saying this is that human nature subsists in human persons.
Yet, not only does human nature subsist in human persons, it subsists nowhere else. The word subsists indicates a peculiar way of existing, one that is unique to one kind of thing and no other -- and that because subsists indicates the existence of a substance. Dogs, cats, rocks, and flowers can be white, but they can’t be human. On the flip side, human nature cannot subsist in dogs, cats, rocks, or anything else but human persons.
So, when Lumen Gentium says the Church of Christ subsists in the Catholic Church, it is saying that it exists only in the Catholic Church. In its very substance or essence, the Catholic Church is the Church of Christ.
But in using subsists, the Council is saying something more.
As the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith’s June 29 “Responses to Some Questions Regarding Certain Aspects of the Doctrine of the Church” indicates, the Vatican Council’s use of subsists indicates the simpler is, but with this twist. Subsists, says “Responses,” “brings out more clearly” than is “the fact that there are ‘numerous elements of sanctification and truth’ which are found outside her [the Catholic Church’s] structure, but which ‘as gifts properly belonging to the Church of Christ, impel towards Catholic unity.’”
In using “subsists,” the Vatican Council attempted to get at the truth of the nature of the Church of Christ in a way that takes into account the very real salvific elements found in non-Catholic groups.
“Subsists,” however, does not stop at a simple recognition of the character of non-Catholic groups. It implies an ecumenism which finds its fulfillment only in conversion. For if elements of the Catholic Church exist outside her visible confines, they do not exist in the way that Christ willed for them to exist but as broken and scattered. As “Responses” said, only in the Catholic Church do we find that essential characteristic of the Church of Christ – unity – which gathers all the elements of truth, making them part of one substance. This being so, Catholics and non-Catholics alike are impelled to seek for themselves and each other that unity which, as Lumen Gentium says, “subsists in the Catholic Church, governed by the successor of Peter and the Bishops in communion with him.”
This work of conversion is not one-sided. For while it certainly implies, for non-Catholics, full entrance into the Catholic Church, it demands something of Catholics as well -- the recognition of non-Catholic Christians as real, if separated, brethren and the zeal to bring our brethren home to the Church of Christ, which is, and subsists in, the Catholic Church.
Posted Sunday, August 05, 2007 4:51 AM By Eugene De Lalla
Does anyone think that the use of "subsists in" was an "accident"? I don't think so. Why change something that was built on a foundation of Rock, into something less secure, theologically speaking? Confusion is rampant today in the Catholic world and this is just one more example of that confusion. But this confusion is magnified by "Catholic" clergy telling some poor non-Catholic soul that they are fine where they are and don't have to become Catholic in order to have that marvelous chance of being saved. How diabolic. We Catholics KNOW that the Catholic Church IS the Church that Our Lord founded upon that Rock and those outside MUST come in, regardless if there are "elements of truth" -- whatever that means -- in other MANMADE"religions". God bless all..
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Posted Sunday, August 05, 2007 5:18 AM By Jim
Well "said"!
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Posted Sunday, August 05, 2007 5:38 AM By Jack Clough
It's all clear to me now.
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Posted Sunday, August 05, 2007 10:45 AM By Camille Giglio
As thearticle says, definitions of our faith are deep and filled with intense meaning. I appreciate this explanation. It does bring to mind something I see in sociey today. The material value of a human being has become the standard of judgment. The fact that we all share in humanity and that that humanity makes us all equal is being changed. Secular society, humanistic society is judging the value of an individual by what gifts he/she can contribute to that social well-being. So, the fact that one is a human being may be of less importance than that individual's gift or talent such as art or music or science especially as it benefits the common ground of quality of life.
Today's gospel reading - Luke 12:13-21 - should be a clear call to Catholics to uphold the value of seeking God, not human acclaim, as our goal.
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Posted Sunday, August 05, 2007 2:11 PM By Caroline
A fine explanation and yet what a pity that it has to be made. Without education in the formalities of western philosophy, who in the western Church could understand any of this without having the one word "subsist" explained by several hundred, maybe a few thousand other words? And I am thinking of even educated people who studied the sciences and the liberal arts other than formal philosophy. Except for possibly a priestly class, and one wonders about their education, the educated class who can appreciate "subsists" without having it hammered into their heads from which they will speedily forget it, is dwindling into nothingness. And that is only the educated class in the west.
I imagine that the clerical leaders of the third world will be well educated in western philosophy, but how will they communicate these subtleties to their people presuming that their people will hang around long enough to care?
I can understand how theologians trying to explain the unexplainable, maybe itself damnable hubris, dragged in the tools of ancient Greek philosophy to help them out, but how it has chained us up, locked us into a mindset which may be losing all relevancy to the mass of human beings around the globe, even ones to whom we grant college degrees and call "educated." Is there any way out of the corner into which we are painted by our ancestors in the faith?
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Posted Sunday, August 05, 2007 5:57 PM By Jim
Caroline, "faith" is not limited by "reason". Philosophy is the foundation of theology.
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Posted Sunday, August 05, 2007 9:10 PM By George
Why use a word that needs volumes of information to explain it. If Vatican II meant “is” why didn’t the use “is’. As the about article points out the reason was ecumenical in nature. Simply, Vatican II wanted to acknowledge numerous elements of sanctification and truth in the Protestant Churches. These are the same Churches that through their government in England outlawed Catholicism, persecuted Catholics and killed priests. Protestants such as Luther and Cranmer invalidated their Masses. Where are the elements of sanctification???. Why would Vatican II do this? It makes no sense. For that matter why did the Catholic Church need Lumen Gentium in the first place?? Lumen Gentium is a long document entitled the “Constitution of the Catholic Church. This constitution is written in much the same way as a modern Constitution with all the trappings of modernism condemned in the Syllabus of Errors, Why did we need a constitution when we have the Holy Bible and Holy Tradition. The Bishops that brought us Lumen Gentium also brought us confusion in doctrine and deprived us of valid priests and valid Mass. Oh yeh, you say that Benedict XVI is bringing back the Mass? Yeh, but our current priests are only ordained to preside over the people not conduct the sacrifice of the Mass! So who is going to say the Mass? God help us.
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Posted Monday, August 06, 2007 1:17 AM By Georgina
Eugene has expressed it better than I have ever heard before. When Vatican II hit our little parish, I could practically feel the earth cracking under my feet. I used to wonder, Where will all this lead? And how much damage will it do? Now I Know.
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Posted Monday, August 06, 2007 8:55 AM By Fred H
We're so caught up in semantics and form-over-substance that we lose sight of the fact that we are all just children in the eyes of God. The poor, uneducated peasant who believes in Jesus Christ and follows his two most important commandments has "elements of truth", the earliest essence of our faith, whether he was by chance born into the Roman Catholic Church, or one of the many thousands of protestant churches. How he leads his life, practices charity, and worships God in his heart, may carry a lot more weight on judgement day than what he may lack in the sacraments, and what is lacking at whatever church he attends on Sunday. He has not rejected the true church, he simply does not know it. Catholics with full knowledge that leave the Catholic Church are "protestants", but those that are born outside of the church don't know any better, or haven't been lead to the truth. I think the Pope is suggesting that those "Christians" outside of the Catholic Church are walking in the right direction, they're just not on the right path. As Catholics, we help to guide them to the right path. But as Catholics on the right path, we cannot become so engrossed in liturgical form that we neglect some of the "elements of truth" that our Christian brothers outside the church hold dear, essentials we must carry on the road to salvation. For without charity, we have nothing.
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Posted Monday, August 06, 2007 9:45 AM By Christopher Zehnder
Caroline,
Theologians who have used Greek philosophy are not trying to explain the unexplainable; they are trying to understand the revelation God has given to us through Christ Jesus. That some may not be able to understand all the subtlties of the explanation witnesses to the need of a hierarchy and a teaching authority. It also witnesses to what is true in all human things -- that, in every discipline, some understand things more than others while also enriching those whose understanding is less profound. Astronomers, for instance, understand the subtlties of their science in a way no layman in the field ever can. But astronomers can communicate something of their understanding to the rest of us and enrich us thereby. Likewise in the Church. Theologians can communicate what they have understood to all of us, to the degree of our understanding, so that we can grasp the truth according to the different levels of our understanding. St. Thomas Aquinas could grasp all the intricacies of the Church's teaching on the Trinity and then commmunicate some of what he understood to us. If it were not for this activity on the part of theologians (used as God's instruments and in conformity with the Church's tradition and magisterium), we might not be confessing the Trinity today but an Arian creed.
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Posted Monday, August 06, 2007 5:25 PM By Caroline
Thanks Christopher. All you say is true but it doesn't solve the communications problem not only between the educated and the uneducated but also between highly educated folk of different disciplines. The Church has got to find a foundation for theology less restricted to time and space than western philosophy in order to "teach all nations." Not just their educated elites who become bishops and priests after studying in western schools. But also their educated elites who don't study western philosophy not to mention the lesser and uneducated folk.
I understand that as acadenic disciplines philosophy is the foundation for theology. But isn't it amazing that St. Therese became a Doctor of the Church?
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Posted Tuesday, August 07, 2007 11:32 AM By John L. Sillasen
The Church does not have a communications problem. Please remember that it is the Holy Spirit who communicates, and thus there is no language problem. The only problem is with people, not with God or with His instituted Church. It is a myth that the western Church is restricted to time and space ... Take for example any sacrament: There is no time and space to a sacrament other than what one sees or how long it takes for something to be said, eg an absolution. The hookup with God engages the human with eternity. All this other stuff such as meditation is simply an exercise that takes place in time and space, kind of imagining what eternity is like. But our real entrance to eternity is simply partaking in a sacrament. We don't necessarily feel or think any different ... or sometimes we do, since any contact with God can be dynamic in our responses. Caroline, by your own words, "But isn't it amazing that St. Therese became a Doctor of the Church?", you answer your own questions: a. the Church is not bound by time and place, and b. there is no communications problem. God communicates to those who listen and do His will.
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Posted Tuesday, August 07, 2007 11:42 AM By Christopher Zehnder
Caroline,
I'm not sure how amazing it is that St. Therese became a doctor of the Church; after all, she was raised in the doctrinal mileau of the Church and, one would suppose, imbibed in some form its philosophical tradition. But that was precisely my point; the tradition can be received at different levels of understanding.
To apply "western" to the philosophy embraced by the Church suggests that it's account of reality is bound by culture and not a true way of looking at reality. It relativizes philosophy in a way we would not relativize, say, astronomy, physics, and chemistry. It is not irrational, I think, to at least suggest that philosophy is as unbound by time or place as any other scientific discipline. And if this is so (and I think it is) it would be necessary that the Church express herself through philosophical catergories that truly express reality rather than those that don't.
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Posted Tuesday, August 07, 2007 2:17 PM By David Kaftal
The argument that the Vatican II Council documents are actually superlatively clear, well-founded and doctrinally sound is one way to contest the widespread belief that they are doctrinally sound but, alas, occasionally subject to misinterpretation. It does not, however, address the underlying reality that the Council was highjacked by liberals, heretics, Freemasons and those who had infiltrated Holy Mother church for the express purpose of destroying her. And indeed, the council has all but destroyed the Church. "By their fruits you shall know them."
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Posted Tuesday, August 07, 2007 11:24 PM By hk
A simple definition of "Church": "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." Matthew 18:20 New American Bible
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Posted Tuesday, August 07, 2007 11:31 PM By ej
Intellectualizing the concept of the Church is not what Jesus did. I would hope that as Catholics we could follow Jesus and live our lives in a manner that is a reflection of the love and goodness of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Some people like to live in their minds and miss the obvious. This seems to be a common spiritual problem for many Catholics.
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Posted Wednesday, August 08, 2007 5:04 PM By John L. Sillasen
" ... gathered together in my name ... ": The key here is "in my name". Who defines this name? Well, I guess, if we go by Scripture, then it would be St Peter, and his successors.
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Posted Friday, August 10, 2007 3:30 PM By DJ -- Just Dust
Wow, talk about smoke and mirrors! That dry thick smoke blinded and choked me. Humility and living divine faith in Our Loving Almighty God like little children is what will bring us closer to God and restore Holy Mother the Roman Catholic Church. Too many modern philosophers and so called theologians (whom together may glow as the elite) seem to turn away from the truth and instead justify with smoke and mirrors the corrupt and unlawful actions and practices of the Vatican II church that devastated the faithful leading millions of Catholics world-wide to loose their faith. The God-centered beauty of the pre-Vatican II Roman Catholic Church was gutted to become a hollow, man-centered post Vatican II Church. Yes this is the great Apostasy! Try to fool the faithful especially a simple-minded person like me (I was duped for 20 years), but you can't fool Our Omnipotent God. We should all fear the Lord that we could loose favor with Him from our most grievous faults (like pride), otherwise we may loose eternal life with Him in heaven. The true faith and 7 Holy valid Sacraments (Baptism, Penance, Holy Communion, Confirmation, Marriage, Holy Orders, and Extreme Unction) do exist world-wide in the Traditional Roman Catholic Church parishes. “Seek and you shall find, knock and it shall be opened to you” says The Lord. Pray to Our Holy and Almighty Father that He will guide you on His Way not your way.
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Posted Friday, August 10, 2007 7:37 PM By ej
I think HK is on to something. The "in his name" is defined by Jesus through the Holy Spirit.
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Posted Friday, August 10, 2007 11:52 PM By Joseph Saraceno
Hello Christopher Zehnder:
We meet once in Newhall, California
The Harpercollins Encyclopedia of Catholicism, 1995 Led by general editor Richard P. McBrien, and an editorial team mostly from the University of Notre Dame...written by 280 leading experts from around the world.
Under the "Vatican Council II," page 1306 Declarations...of the Council.
# 4. The Church includes all Christians and is not limited exclusively to the Catholic Church.
# 9. God uses other Christian churches and non-Christian religions in offering salvation to all humankind: the Catholic Church is not the only means of salvation.
Both violate the Fourth Lateran Council and the Council of Florence: "Extra ecclesia nulla salus." No salvation outside the Catholic Church. This makes the V-2 Popes and council guilty of Public Heresy and makes them guilty of Schism which in turn brought in the "Great Apostsay," followed by Christs return, 40 to 50 years later for the general judgment.
This means that Christ can come back anytime after 2008 and the only advice I can offer at this time, is repent while you still have time. Most won't make it through the "Great Chastisement."
In Christ, Joseph B. D. Saraceno
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Posted Saturday, August 11, 2007 7:14 AM By WB
This is one of the best explanations of this controverted point that I've ever read -- thank you very much. I've read a lot from radical traditionalist sources where the Thomistic definitions have been avoided or confused -- perhaps for rhetorical purposes, or perhaps simply because the topic was not considered deeply (or dispassionately) enough.
Not only is there no essential change in the Vatican II definition of the Church, but it is more precise and correct --and is therefore deeper than simply saying "is".
Our faith is certainly very complex and there are many subtle layers of meaning -- although the simple doctrines can be understood by anyone. That is a sign of the Divine Presence -- the depth is unlimited, but the key message can be understood perfectly by children.
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Posted Saturday, August 11, 2007 11:15 AM By Christopher Zehnder
Mr. Saraceno,
I'm sorry, but I don't recall meeting you; I am, however, bad with names. The only time I think I have spent in Newhall was on a stop between two Metrolink trains.
To your point. I don't think the reference you gave --- and certainly Richard McBrien --- is an authoritative commentary on Vatican II. That being said, in a sense one can say the Catholic Church contains all Christians insofar as all Christians are (as Pius XII pointed out in Mystici Corporis Christi) related to the Church. Insofar as they receive valid sacraments and believe certain truths, they are united to the Church. Insofar as they reject Catholic faith, they are separated from the Catholic Church and, therefore, in peril of their salvation.
The Council did say the Holy Spirit has used non-Catholic groups, but not insofar as they aren't Catholic. The Holy Spirit uses them insofar as they have elements of the Catholic Church. These elements, says the Council, impel them towards unity with the Catholic Church. The Council does not say that, for instance, Lutheran heresy is a means of salvation, but that Lutheran ministers and the Lutheran structure can be used by the Holy Spirit because they have valid baptism, teach some Catholic truths, etc.
I myself am a convert from Lutheranism and can attest that I first learned to love Christ through the witness and example of Lutherans and the grace of the baptism I received from a Lutheran minister. I also took in dangerous doctrines and so was in peril of my salvation until I entered the Catholic Church. Still, the truths I received from Lutherans were the very things, I think, that impelled me to keep seeking until I found the Catholic faith.
Finally, "subsists" means what I have said it means. It does not deny previous Church teaching. If non-Catholics are saved, it is not "extra Ecclesia," since they are saved through elements that belong properly to the Catholic Church. Part of being Catholic is docility to the entire magisterium, both past and present. There is no Catholicism apart from the popes and bishops in union with him.
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Posted Saturday, August 11, 2007 9:00 PM By Mac
ej, you have i! But speaking like a Christian isn't going to get you heard by many in these pages.
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Posted Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:09 AM By WB
Speaking like an Evangelical Protestant isn't going to get you heard by many in these pages -- with good reason.
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Posted Thursday, August 16, 2007 9:19 PM By ej
But WB.....I am a lifelong Catholic and have been for over 50 years!
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Posted Friday, August 17, 2007 6:41 PM By IrishTrad
The first comment in this string of posts (i.e., that of Eugene De Lalla) hit it on the nose. "Subistit" was no accident and therein lies one of the problems of Second Vatican. By hazy teaching, this Council has done more to divide and destroy the Catholic Church than anything the Protestants have done. Of course, after 40 years of turmoil, scandal, and empty pews (as well as collection baskets), perhaps the Church hierarchy have regained their senses. And perhaps this "Responses" is an attempt to fix something that certainly needed fixing. But it's a woeful attempt, a feat of verbal gynmastics, that really says nothing new and explains even less. Indeed, this document is an example of the same kind of ambiguity and contradictory statements used in the Vatican II documents, which are in themselves misleading and ambiguous. That's why we're in the mess we're in. I mean, if you tell a child to do something, you make it clear else the child becomes confused, does it wrong, or doesn't do it at all. That pretty much sums up Catholcism for the past 40 years. Until many of the Vatican II documents are either repealed (ain't gonna happen) or restated in EXPLICIT TERMS, little is going to change. And that's where Cardinal Levada and "Responses" have failed. For instance, take a look at Question 3: "Why was the expression "subsists in" adopted instead of the simple word "is"?" This is a good, direct question. Too bad the answer isn't. The answer is as convoluted as anything Vatican II ever came up. In fact, while reading it, I couldn't help but think of Bill Clinton and his, "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is."
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Posted Friday, August 17, 2007 7:25 PM By Christopher Zehnder
Irish Trad,
I agree that for those who do not know the philosophical terminology, "subsists" can be confusing. It should have been explained, perhaps, from the beginning. But that is not to say the term does not have an explicit meaning. It does, as does consubstantial, which is just as confusing to those who do not understand the philosophical term, "substance." As for the response to Question 3, I thought it was most direct, even though the direct connection between "subsists" and the existence of elements outside the Catholic Church is not immediately obvious. But, then again, the rational connections in Catholic teaching aren't always immediately obvious. They require a grounding in philosophy which most Catholics do not have.
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Posted Monday, August 20, 2007 10:39 PM By IrishTrad
Christopher, you're correct in your statement that most Catholics are not grounded in philosophy, but I disagree that Church teaching is not immediately obvious. Indeed, I believe that's why, in the past anyway, Catholic teaching has always attempted to be explicit. As an example, take a look at the English translation of Denzinger's (albeit edited by Karl Rahner) or better yet, Ott's Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma. They contain (esp. the latter) explicit translations of the teaching of the Church with no room for misunderstanding or misinterpretation. Therefore, I stand by my opinion that the V2 documents contained "time bombs", so to speak, which have been use by the liberal theologians to justify the devastation of the One True Church. I also stand by my opinion that until the Church redefines the V2 documents—in explicit terms—then little will change since the misreadings and misunderstandings will continue, as will the devastation. As Pope Paul VI said in 1972, the smoke of Satan...
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Posted Thursday, September 06, 2007 11:02 AM By Irish Orthodox
Just a brief comment very late in the day to the last exchanges. Both Irish Trad and the author are correct and I believe, hope and pray that Pope Benedict is working toward a very clear explication of V2 beginning with his book "Jesus of Nazareth" and his meeting with the Bishops next year at which he will discuss the meaning of Logos. All this developed slowly for a reason, which should become more apparent with time to those with ears to hear. V2 did not happen in a vacuum. Modernism was already on the march when it arrived. Peter, like his Lord, is a Big Fisherman after a large catch with as few lost as possible. Jesus I trust in You!
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